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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 20:04:30 GMT -5
Oh brother! All i have heard for years is how everything is Bush's fault! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Post by a on Jan 30, 2013 20:11:50 GMT -5
Nah, not everything. Just a couple wars not put in the budget. The financial meltdown was the fault of the bankers who tell government what to do and are "too big to fail."
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Post by robinpa on Jan 30, 2013 22:32:33 GMT -5
Nah, not everything. Just a couple wars not put in the budget. The financial meltdown was the fault of the bankers who tell government what to do and are "too big to fail." Very true, however the reason the bankers, and credit industry were able to nearly flush our economy down the drain, was due to the repos push to remove regulations that were keeping those industries in check. The dominoes started falling with enron and kept up momentum until the wall street crash. That all started on ole dubya's watch and was in most cases approved by him. All of that is well documented. Funny how the right wingers forget about that. The difference between the things dubya gets blamed for and the things Obama gets blamed for is simple. Dubya actually is at fault for the majority of what he gets blamed for. Obama isnt. Obama was just unlucky enough to be the president who had to come in afterward and try and clean up the mess that was left before him.
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Post by Shirina on Jan 31, 2013 0:24:20 GMT -5
Just recently, the multi-national bank HSBC was recently fined $1.7 billion for laundering money for Mexican drug cartels. Not one single person went to jail or was even brought up on charges.
You don't see the right-wingers raising hell over that. Just like they expressed almost no outrage over Bernie Madoff or Barclays and several other major financial firms fixing interest rates. Standard Charter Bank was fined $340 million for engaging in illegal transactions with Iranian clients. J.P. Morgan Chase was busted for trying to hide a $7 billion loss due to risky investments. ING was also busted for moving $2 billion of Iranian money despite sanctions. Capitol One was fined $210 million for telling customers they could get a credit monitoring service for free while secretly charging them.
I mean, seriously, there is an almost unbroken chain of bank scandals going all the way back to the Savings and Loan Scandal of the Reagan years.
But who cares about that, even when you, the customer, is getting ripped off. There are bigger fish to fry - like single moms on welfare with cellphones, Cash for Clunkers, Obama lying about his uncle liberating a Nazi concentration camp when it was actually Obama's great uncle, Obama bowing to a Japanese prime minister, and those strange devices no other president has ever used - teleprompters!
Priorities, folks.
Priorities.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2013 3:18:54 GMT -5
Don't bother, folks. She posted the same thing from "liberal lies" the other day on P&M. Most of it was thoroughly discredited, with facts and figures by various posters, and here it is again. She posts crap then makes a hasty exit. Save your breath. However, i am sooo glad to know that you are one of my stalkers who is keeping track of all my postings! LMAO!!!! ;D Get in line if you wanna join my Fan Club. [/quote ------------- Too funny. Because we both post on MSN Money makes me a stalker? Typical Republican paranoia. The government is coming to getcha! Other posters are coming to getcha! Socialism is coming to getcha! Hang on to your guns, folks! Nobody is safe.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2013 3:24:43 GMT -5
Probe me wrong and stick around before making a hasty retreat. Let's discuss your original post, shall we? By all means, please let me know how Obama is responsible for the rise in the price of gas, for example. You DO know that price of oil is determined by the global market, right? I'm all ears.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 3:44:26 GMT -5
Welts- I get it. Nothing is Obama's "fault". There are always forces beyond his control. I am really not sure why he is in office since he apparently can't control anything or do anything about anything. No wonder he spends so much time on the golf course and partying with Beyonce and skeet shooting and commenting on the NFL because he has so little control over anything so why bother? I mean what difference did it make that he choose not to act during the Benghazi attacks even though we had help less than 1 hour away? I mean, who cares? Not his fault. Nothing is his fault. Everything is W's fault or the evil Repos even when Dems had total control of the Senate and House, nothing was his fault.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 3:48:36 GMT -5
Welts- There is very little point in talking to you. Here's how it goes. No matter what i post, well you will say my sources are "biased". No matter what facts i post, you will say the facts don't really mean what they say. Or, you will say you don't understand and ask for more and more info then continue to tell me that the sources are biased and the facts don't count or even if they do none of it could possibly be Obama's fault. Then, if that doesn't work, start dropping the racist card or any other cards as a block. Or, whine about disrespecting the President. Blah, blah, blah. It is all getting very tiresome and pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 3:55:18 GMT -5
But, as for energy, let's drop a ton of money into Solyndra and other useless GREEN Bullcrap. Let's block the Keystone pipeline. Let's give $2B to Brazil for offshore drilling and neglect our own country. But yeah, poor little impotent helpless Obama. That had nothing to do with HIM.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2013 3:57:00 GMT -5
ROTFLMAO! After all that logorrhea, you STILL didn't answer my question. How is Obama responsible for the price of gas? You posted the OP, now defend it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 3:58:21 GMT -5
Carry on Welts. Same old same old from you. Feel free to defend Obama on those things but you won't. Nor have you said a peep about Benghazi, Fast and furious or all manner of things that are not Obama's fault. Odd.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 4:00:49 GMT -5
Just keep gnashing your teeth about W. I have heard it. Got the tee shirt.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2013 4:02:02 GMT -5
But, as for energy, let's drop a ton of money into Solyndra and other useless GREEN Bullcrap. Let's block the Keystone pipeline. Let's give $2B to Brazil for offshore drilling and neglect our own country. But yeah, poor little impotent helpless Obama. That had nothing to do with HIM. Nobody GAVE Brazil anything. Do some research. As far as drilling goes....say Exxon drills for more oil in the US. Exxon is an internationally traded company. Are you suggesting that they write a memo to all their global shareholders saying. Oh, we're going to sell the American oil to Americans for less. You don't mind making less money, do you? We're sure you won't." Wake up.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2013 4:03:23 GMT -5
Just keep gnashing your teeth about W. I have heard it. Got the tee shirt. Show me any post where I mentioned Bush. Please. Lol! Gnashing my teeth, indeed! Now you're throwing faeces around and hoping something sticks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 4:06:49 GMT -5
Boo hoo! Obama "inherited" all the problems. If i hear the word "inherited" one more time i am gonna hurl. What a damn baby! He takes no responsibility for anything. Are you going to explain why Benghazi wasn't "his fault"?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2013 4:16:09 GMT -5
I never said a word about Obama inheriting anything. Are YOU going to explain how he is responsible for the price of oil? You're not very good at this. I suggest you stick to mooning over Lady Whatsherface..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 7:06:10 GMT -5
I gave you concrete examples. Now go bury your head back up Obama's butt cuz that is where you will find the "faeces".
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Post by Shirina on Jan 31, 2013 7:57:05 GMT -5
Republicans overplayed their hand when it comes to blaming Obama. Sure, Obama made some mistakes. What president hasn't? But the conservatives have whipped themselved into such a frothing frenzy that literally everything is Obama's fault - and that DOES include everything that happened in the last two years of the Bush administration. You don't like hearing about Obama's inheritance because you know it's the truth. The old, "Obama is going to destroy the country" refrain is as old as the hills and just as lacking in thought.
Don't think for a second I don't remember the nonsense that went on in the first few months of Obama's presidency - even before he had a real chance to do anything. One of his first acts as president was trying to get the next summer Olympics held in the USA. The conservatives were salivating in the hopes of seeing Obama fail, and when he did, posters on the MSNBC board practically had a party. Of course they ignored the fact that the Olympic Committee had pretty much already decided that America had hosted an unfair number of Olympic games already while South America hadn't hosted an Olympic games since the turn of the 20th Century. No wonder, then, that Rio was given the honor. But ... hahaha! Obama failed. It was all HIS fault that Rio would host the games. Haha! What a buffoon, he bungled the whole thing. Haha!
Yeah, that's the conservative mindset ... everything hinges upon Obama and there are no other variables. If Obama doesn't get what he wants, then he's a big failure, the worst president ever in the history of presidents!
Everything he did was put under a microscope so that conservatives could find fault with it - people out there were actually getting paid to find the cloud in every silver lining Obama created. Every decision he made was the wrong one. Remember when the Polish president died? Wow, did the boards light up with scorn against Obama for not attending Kaczynski's funeral even though Obama spent that day speaking to the US troops.
But when he spoke to the US troops, they lambasted him over everything he said, claiming that Obama was actually anti-military. Then the following Memorial Day, when conservatives thought Obama was ignoring the troops, again the scorn flew - "Why isn't Obama spending time with the troops?!?!" However, when conservatives realized Obama had, in fact, given a speech at Arlington Cemetary, they again bashed every word of that speech and said he should have been spending time on fixing the economy instead of having photo ops with soldiers.
How about that incident when Somali pirates were holding a ship captain hostage? Remember that? Conservatives were pissing and moaning about how Obama wasn't being decisive enough - they wanted him to take action right that very minute. Screw diplomacy that might save lives and prevent bloodshed. Then, when Obama gave the go-ahead for a sniper to take out the pirates thus freeing the ship captain, Obama was everything from a butcher for ordering the killing of the pirates to being indecisive because he didn't kill the pirates soon enough!
Then there was Osama bin Laden. No, no, Obama had nothing to do with that - it was all Bush's doing! Besides, it was the SEAL team that got him, and that's where the credit goes. When conservatives realized the public wasn't buying into that crap, they changed tactics and criticized Obama for "illegally" invading Pakistan and executing Osama without a trial.
They accused Obama of not being aggressive enough in Afghanistan yet they STILL criticize the use of drone attacks that have killed countless Al-Qaeda members. Oh yes, the media talked up a storm about how Al-Qaeda reported hundreds of women and children dead, and the conservatives believed Al-Qaeda ... yeah, nothing like colluding with our nation's enemies during a time of war. Heh, and conservatives think THEY are the "real" Americans.
Speaking of collusion, rermember all the guff conservatives gave Obama for ordering a strike that killed an American Taliban member? Obama killed an American citizen!!!! Yeah, a terrorist who posed a clear and present danger to the United States. The irony is that the people who bashed Obama for killing that guy are the same ones who believe American citizens should have the right to shoot and kill other American citizens for something as petty as stealing a pencil from their property. International terrorism is fine. Pencil theft is a capital offense.
I mean, seriously, I would keep going with my list and very long memory, but my fingers are hurting something terrible.
So I'll just close this by saying conservatives have expended an incredible amount of energy trying to blame Obama for every misfortune while minimizing his accomplishments. That was the entire tactic of the GOP throughout Obama's first four years, hoping they could convince people to vote Republican in 2012. The whole GOP platform in 2010 was, "Remember, no matter what decision Obama makes, he should have made a different one!" Thus Republicans tried to create a president that was perfectly imperfect.
Well, guess who was just sworn in to his 2nd term just a week ago. Yeah ... the American people weren't fooled by GOP spin and lies. Remember the poll that showed how 69% of Americans would blame the Republicans if the US went over the fiscal cliff? Yep ... 69%. That's an overwhelming majority. Americans are waking up, and even conservative propaganda networks like Fox are shedding their failed extremists and Teabaggers like, say, Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.
The GOP is even backpeddling on immigration reform because they're realizing that the old Southern "good ole boys" club no longer has the political clout to win elections, and people aren't going to vote for congrespeople who's only goal for America is to get Obama out of the White House, repeal Obamacare, and give the rich a slew of tax breaks.
At the end of the day, the GOP as we know it is finished. Even GOP strategists have admitted that. What this means for you, personally, Fuzzy, is that your outdated strategy of irrational Obama-bashing is, just that - outmoded, obsolete, ineffective, and impotent. Time to find a new strategy that doesn't involve right-wing extremism that blathers about socialism and Obama destroying the nation. As Obama himself might say - "Forward."
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Post by a on Jan 31, 2013 11:44:17 GMT -5
Pilgrim must be out of town, too bad, he loves to hear "little right wingers" whine.
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Post by jackthelad on Jan 31, 2013 14:29:03 GMT -5
Pilgrim must be out of town, too bad, he loves to hear "little right wingers" whine. So Fuzzems a right winger, over here in the UK we would call it being a right Pratt. The way she harps on about Obama is a bit worrying, hatred like that makes her a good prospect to be a member of the Klu Klux Klan.
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