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Post by Forever Sunshine on Aug 28, 2011 20:16:30 GMT -5
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Post by princeofdarkness on Aug 28, 2011 22:36:50 GMT -5
btw did you notice my title is back? Know what that means
OMG.. your title is back..... I just crapped in my pants...bwhahhahahahahahaaaaaa
(don't forget to include that in your resume)
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Aug 28, 2011 22:46:10 GMT -5
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Post by princeofdarkness on Aug 29, 2011 8:58:04 GMT -5
Unlike you, POD, I actually care, I'm not here to ridicule and cause problems. That's your thing.
unlike you beags, I care more.. I propose solutions that actually work.. I don't propose free solutions just to suck up to skys and roy on Martini's board...
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Post by beags on Aug 29, 2011 12:11:45 GMT -5
Actually, POD, I haven't proposed anything. I don't know what works because I have never been in that spot. I do know that for some finding God worked. For others it hasn't.
I also stated that once you get to the root of the problem, you can fix it. (which you seem to ignore) That's the key, finding what got them to the addiction in the first place.
You seem to be fixed on only two things . .. your hatred for God and your hatred for a certain group of people. If you weren't fixated on that, you would have noticed my other statements that I have said repeatedly.
Now do you want to keep insulting me with your ignorance? It won't get you anywhere except goodbye.
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Post by londonladypiff on Aug 29, 2011 12:15:01 GMT -5
;D
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Post by princeofdarkness on Aug 29, 2011 16:25:32 GMT -5
Now do you want to keep insulting me with your ignoranceI see .. you can insult me by calling me ignorant, no one else is allowed to disagree with the 12 step program and provide backup from Harvard Medical School using AA own data. hmmmmm... interesting how you operate beags... hatred for God what? ??... what god.. you can't hate imaginary things... next you will tell me I hate the tooth fairy....you are funny beags... and I am ignorant?....really.....
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Post by princeofdarkness on Aug 29, 2011 16:31:28 GMT -5
I haven't proposed anything.
by disallowing criticism of the 12 step program, what are you doing beags? Spell it out for us ignorant ones....
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Post by beags on Aug 29, 2011 17:42:33 GMT -5
I never disallowed your stuff from Harvard. If I did, they would have been deleted.
Now stop playing the persecuted little picked on boy. You didn't do anything except post a few more places to go. Mostly you called down the free program because you didn't like the 12 steps.
Something you failed to realize is regardless of what program they use, the free one, or the ones you pay for, they all use a 12 step program. That has also been pointed out to you.
It seems to me you are blinded here and unwilling to discuss anything OR help anyone. Your sole purpose here has been met. You drove away the people who were trying to help someone with their friend. That person even posted how much the others were missed.
You didn't care about that, you only cared about your agenda .. . which is get rid of anything you don't agree with, leave no room for anyone's opinion except your own. Argue with anyone, and twist their words because you happen to not like one statement of theirs.
That's your thing. Now you can cry if you want to. You can claim you are trying to help. But what you are really doing is shutting down anything that you don't agree with. You are so blinded by that hatred that you don't see anything else.
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Post by princeofdarkness on Aug 29, 2011 20:09:52 GMT -5
Something you failed to realize is regardless of what program they use, the free one, or the ones you pay for, they all use a 12 step program. That has also been pointed out to you.
wrong again beags... you are listening to you buddies roy and skys... the expensive ones may be based on 12 steps.. but they are whole lot more than 12 programs.. and that has been pointed out to roy and skys... and now you.. that's why they have a much higher success rate... which you seem to ignore.. the pure 12 step programs have a 95% failure rate.... which you fail to acknowledge..
You can claim you are trying to help. But what you are really doing is shutting down anything that you don't agree with. You are so blinded by that hatred that you don't see anything else
personal opinion.... the same can be said of you and kissing up to skys and roy because you want their prayers and wishes.... so you will ignore facts and reality .... I can say you "hate reality and facts".....and you are one sided and don't like to expose people to anything else besides 12 step programs.....
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Post by beags on Aug 29, 2011 20:34:05 GMT -5
wrong again POD. IF I didn't want them exposed to anything else, I did have the power to delete those posts. For some reason you aren't understanding that point.
For the next thing .. I could care less if I get prayers, they don't work anyway. In case you missed it I have lost my faith this year. I may be able to discuss the bible still, but don't confuse that with anything.
You should really know the person you are trying to insult before you start throwing accusations out there. Mine about you, aren't that far off. Everyone can see your real purpose here.
You can't say one thing to me without pointing out Skys and Roy. What does that say? Your true agenda, that's what it says.
The facts 1. Your posts about other methods were allowed, I never deleted them. They are still there. 2. I never once said that the 12 step program works for everyone. 3. I never once said that God works for everyone I said it works for some. 4. I also said that other methods work well for others. 5. I also stated that once you figure out what made them addicts in the first place, you can start to help them.
ALL things that you ignored. Instead you chose to hang on God and the fact that I talk to Skys and Roy online. I talk to many people online. Would you like to discuss them also?
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Post by cvor on Aug 31, 2011 8:37:10 GMT -5
I could be wrong which is why it would help if the people who were once addicts weren't chased away from this board. Chased? You mean run away like cowards when THEIR bullying tactics didn't work. Sorry-- the world doesn't bow to them...nor should they. They often point the finger and judge people but when it is given back they claim to be persecuted. I didn't say a word to that sky poster yet she hunted me down--- exactly as she did on the Canada boards...and talked $hit about me...no debate or discussion whatsoever..no point...just harassing. Seems like they traded one addiction for another OR their prior addiction ate their brain cells away. Either way, they still have to play by the same rules. Beating an addiction doesn't make you a rocket scientist...it puts you back into the real world...where most of us have ALREADY been developing ourselves for many many years. Sorry...but beating an addiction doesn't make you a guru....it means you have a whole lot of catching up to do.
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Post by cvor on Aug 31, 2011 8:42:40 GMT -5
If a child has a dependency should we set up imaginary friend workshops and have them surrender to this friend and rely on it for help? Should we encourage imaginary friends?
I guess if we set up 12 steps and changed it from a "higher power" (aka "god") to invisible ghost that would still be OK. It seems that the religious community at large would support childhood imaginary friends. It makes the child feel better...gives them support..gives them hope and guidance..etc. Why then does the medical community consider this a problem and not a solution? And this is different than AA and regular people that use god as a crutch HOW?
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Post by cvor on Aug 31, 2011 8:45:39 GMT -5
I agree...and god is often a diversion from that. The more reliant a program is on invisible beings, the more it is a cult than a real way of addressing the problem.
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Post by cvor on Aug 31, 2011 8:48:35 GMT -5
yup..... some people like to debate and give their opinions and commentary.....there is no one to debate and nothing to comment on
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