smoface
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Post by smoface on Jul 2, 2014 10:35:09 GMT -5
chefmate, I have never been in the position you are in. I am not being critical but really asking out of curiosity. How did it happen that loosing unemployment benefits discouraged you from looking for a job? I would think it would have the opposite effect...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:13:38 GMT -5
Why work when daddy Obama will take care of you?
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Post by fritz the cat on Jul 2, 2014 12:57:14 GMT -5
work sucks......................  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 13:57:46 GMT -5
chefmate, I have never been in the position you are in. I am not being critical but really asking out of curiosity. How did it happen that loosing unemployment benefits discouraged you from looking for a job? I would think it would have the opposite effect... I realized with my limited job skills and age 62, I'm not much of a catch in the job market and most employers aren't going to invest the time and money to train me only to have me walk out at age 66 so I looked if I could live on Social Security and decided to do so. If I was younger, I would have kept on looking for a job but so close to retirement why bother to get back into the rat race? |
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smoface
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Post by smoface on Jul 3, 2014 7:30:12 GMT -5
OK... that makes sense and you came to that realization within a 'reasonable' amount of time. Even though it's against the law to discriminate, race, age or otherwise, in reality it happens. Well chef, I don't think an extension on unemployment benefits would have changed the outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 22:47:19 GMT -5
OK... that makes sense and you came to that realization within a 'reasonable' amount of time. Even though it's against the law to discriminate, race, age or otherwise, in reality it happens. Well chef, I don't think an extension on unemployment benefits would have changed the outcome. I agree the outcome may not have changed, but I no longer had the gas nor resources to put more effort into work further away from home; in many people's cases, homes were lost and others could not pay for gas or insurance or even internet to search for work so the cutoff hurt many. I feel bad for the younger generation trying to survive in today's job market....so much different that 30 or 40 years ago. |
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Post by smoface on Jul 4, 2014 4:34:16 GMT -5
Headline on today's New York Post:
After strong jobs report, Dow hits 17,000 for the first time
A better-than-expected jobs report for June powered the Dow Jones industrial average above 17,000 for the first time. The jobs report also reduced the unemployment rate to 6.1 percent — the lowest since September 2008.
Maybe the republicans' refusal to extend unemployment benefits inspired a lot of people to take a job, any job. 'Give people unemployment benefits, and it’s likely they will take longer to find employment.'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 10:29:08 GMT -5
Headline on today's New York Post: After strong jobs report, Dow hits 17,000 for the first time
A better-than-expected jobs report for June powered the Dow Jones industrial average above 17,000 for the first time. The jobs report also reduced the unemployment rate to 6.1 percent — the lowest since September 2008.Maybe the republicans' refusal to extend unemployment benefits inspired a lot of people to take a job, any job. 'Give people unemployment benefits, and it’s likely they will take longer to find employment.' don't forget the 3 to 4 million who are not being counted in the report. I'm sure some people grabbed just any job but many are still homeless due to no extension. the figures can be skewered to which ever side one supports. I wish they were right but I look at the ads for jobs available and find no hope that this report wants me to feel. |
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Post by jackthelad on Jul 4, 2014 12:58:01 GMT -5
I see America is no different to the UK for the unemployed, messing about with unemployment benefits, there is no jobs and what few jobs there are they only want to pay a pittance. To make matters worse they are extending the retiring age year on year, it was 65 now the goal post have been moved and it will soon be 70, it may not stop there either. Where jobs arose from people retiring, it is not happening now so you have young people kicking there feet while old people struggle to get up for work.
Where is the sense in that, they are punishing old people for getting old and young people for being born. Now what was the point of all that schooling when they can't get work. 
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 22:32:51 GMT -5
I see America is no different to the UK for the unemployed, messing about with unemployment benefits, there is no jobs and what few jobs there are they only want to pay a pittance. To make matters worse they are extending the retiring age year on year, it was 65 now the goal post have been moved and it will soon be 70, it may not stop there either. Where jobs arose from people retiring, it is not happening now so you have young people kicking there feet while old people struggle to get up for work.
Where is the sense in that, they are punishing old people for getting old and young people for being born. Now what was the point of all that schooling when they can't get work.
I agree. My oldest son got lucky when I found a job opening at the local grocery store eight years ago...he now makes a living wage, benefits plus the company pays for his retirement. I don't require much so I can get by on less than most people and am much happier; I had gotten to the point on my last job two years ago of wishing for a broken bone, losing my voice or hearing or a disease so I wouldn't have to go there anymore as it was such a crappy job....now tell me, if that wasn't f**ked up but I had no alternative that I could see. It was a living nightmare and towards the end, I was going to start bringing small sample bottles of vodka in my bra to drink in the bathroom to make it through the day. I got cataracts and went out on disability and then got fired so it all was for the best. Only other people who worked for this company can understand my desperation as it was a very dysfunctional and toxic workplace. |
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smoface
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Post by smoface on Jul 5, 2014 12:44:56 GMT -5
I know why I am confused. Unemployment insurance is temporary financial assistance provided to you by your state. It's funded through taxes levied on your employer by federal and state governments. If there is high unemployment in your area,the state decides to extend your benefits for an additional number of weeks. (Just google your state for details.) When the unemployment rate becomes a national crisis, then it literally takes an act of congress to get additional money from the fund. (By the way, when we are in a national unemployment crisis, the owners of businesses are taxed at a higher rate to compensate. The same as auto or home owners insurance...the insurance companies raise our premiums based on claims make.)
So it's been six years since the recession and the unemployment crisis, and unemployment benefits have been extended 11 times. People are collecting a lot more in benefits than taxes collected. Like you said chef, the younger generation is going to have a hard time trying to survive in today's job market....'so much different that 30 or 40 years ago'. What's changed over the past 30 or 40 years? Government regulations, high taxes on businesses, creating the EPA, not enforcing immigration laws, Obamacare, etc. While it's been coming on for 30 or 40 years, this administration is at bat. In that light, the republicans at least are doing their job. If there are no jobs to be had..'don't forget the 3 to 4 million who are not being counted in the report...' then we are operating a welfare program. This is why I am confused. Why pretend people can find work if only they had more time to look. Why doesn't the senate (aka Harry Reid) call it what it is, stop lying to the American people... it's welfare, redistributing wealth...people don't have to live in cars...write the guidelines so you can collect welfare and then write the laws to collect taxes from the poor slobs lucky enough to still have a job.
Maybe then the voters will see our country's future.
eta: Changes because I wasn't done.
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Post by mtman on Jul 5, 2014 17:23:00 GMT -5
If there are no jobs to be had. What are you talking about?.......According to barry, all the jobs are back, plus a few more.....He wouldn't lie to us......Would he? |
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Post by fritz the cat on Jul 6, 2014 13:03:44 GMT -5
If there are no jobs to be had. What are you talking about?.......According to barry, all the jobs are back, plus a few more.....He wouldn't lie to us......Would he? Never trust the word of a politician, we get fed the same bullshit in the uk |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 7:12:22 GMT -5
chefmate, I have never been in the position you are in. I am not being critical but really asking out of curiosity. How did it happen that loosing unemployment benefits discouraged you from looking for a job? I would think it would have the opposite effect... I realized with my limited job skills and age 62, I'm not much of a catch in the job market and most employers aren't going to invest the time and money to train me only to have me walk out at age 66 so I looked if I could live on Social Security and decided to do so. If I was younger, I would have kept on looking for a job but so close to retirement why bother to get back into the rat race? I agree! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 7:15:06 GMT -5
What are you talking about?.......According to barry, all the jobs are back, plus a few more.....He wouldn't lie to us......Would he? Never trust the word of a politician, we get fed the same bullshit in the uk Agreed. I really don't see much out there in the way of jobs...with the exception of the minimum hourly wage stints that barely cover a gallon of gas. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 4:17:36 GMT -5
How many full time years are people actually working now? Seems people don't even hit full time employment until mid 20s. Then by 40s they start having health problems. Then you see a lot of so called disability or people just not working in their 50s just scraping by. How long can a society survive with people only really working about 20 yrs in an 80 yr lifespan?
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