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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 17, 2011 5:09:00 GMT -5
MPs and justice campaigners say some of the sentences given to those involved in the riots in England are too harsh.
On Tuesday two men were jailed for four years for using Facebook to incite riots and another was given 18 months for having a stolen TV in his car.
Liberal Democrat MP Tom Brake said sentences "should be about restorative justice" not retribution.
But Communities Secretary Eric Pickles said tougher sentences would show there were consequences to disorder.
More than 2,770 people have been arrested in connection with last week's riots in a number of English cities.
By Tuesday afternoon, 1,277 suspects had appeared in court and 64% had been remanded in custody. In 2010 the remand rate at magistrates for serious offences was 10%. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14553330......................................................................................................... What do you think? |
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Post by piropo2 on Aug 17, 2011 11:39:31 GMT -5
Well someone has to make a stand, and if harsh sentences send out the right message to the rioters, so be it. If you cant stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. My opinion of course.  |
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Post by Miss Who on Aug 17, 2011 11:41:09 GMT -5
I don't think the sentences were too harsh, considering the amount of damage they have caused to their own country. Not to mention the economy, it's going to cost millions to put right, money we can ill afford. Do any of them know why they were rioting? I doubt it.
If these putative people want to fight then let them go to places like Afganistan, and stand beside a real man and fight. They wouldn't have the guts, and the millitary wouldn't want them anyway.
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Post by londonladypiff on Aug 17, 2011 11:41:55 GMT -5
Too harsh some have got less for murder ,,,,,,,,,,bloody disgrace.
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Post by pod 7 on Aug 17, 2011 13:46:27 GMT -5
Too harsh some have got less for murder ,,,,,,,,,,bloody disgrace. |
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Post by londonladypiff on Aug 17, 2011 13:59:37 GMT -5
hey if any of my loved ones were murderd they would get more than life i can assure you.
You can disagree all you want but i hate it when people are used as scapgoats its wrong and unjust.
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Post by londonladypiff on Aug 17, 2011 14:02:34 GMT -5
I see the hang em and flog em brigade are out in force again, When some of these people get out of jail, They will give the system their own retribution. This is not over by a long chalk, ;D
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 17, 2011 14:25:09 GMT -5
I thought you got a mandatory life sentence for murder.
I think these sentences are harsh actually and inconsistent across the country. We should have some clear guidelines from the court of appeal on what these people can expect.
Politicians should stay out of it...its not their job to cheer and jeer at the judiciary.
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Post by Miss Who on Aug 18, 2011 12:44:35 GMT -5
I'm not a member of the flog em and hang em high brigade. Given the amount of damage the rioters caused, the punishment was not too harsh. I do believe sending them to prison is not the answer though. I feel they should be made to clean up, repair, and rebuild.
Whilst they're languishing in prison, they are doing absolutely nothing constructive. We the tax payer are keeping a dry roof over their heads, whilst the people they made homeless are struggling. Also the money it's going to cost to put right all damage caused in the riots, could be put to better use.
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Post by lycia33 on Aug 18, 2011 17:12:23 GMT -5
I think not enough punishment! has created a society were any thing goes
stealing ,looting killing ,.....what for GREED ?and a total lack of respect for human values and family .I for one wont lay down and let them walk all over us 
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Post by lycia33 on Aug 18, 2011 17:14:28 GMT -5
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Post by pod 7 on Aug 19, 2011 2:54:03 GMT -5
hey if any of my loved ones were murderd they would get more than life i can assure you.
I disagree sorry i feel double standards are being applied here when it becomes personal---are you not making a scapegoat of a murderer ? because its close to home.
Also i feel that the reaction from Joe public as shown by the STREET CLEANING brigade was a way of showing their disgust at what went on, I may well be wrong about this but i feel e have been far to soft on all walks of life in this country, the outcome of the riots will effect us all any form of Insurance you have or take out -also taxes you /we pay will have to be used as well |
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Post by pod 7 on Aug 19, 2011 2:57:57 GMT -5
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Post by Royston Vasey on Aug 19, 2011 9:26:25 GMT -5
Jumping onto bandwagons, applying knee-jerk reactions to the law and the fact that politicians are (generally speaking) dullards, they all come to mind.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 19, 2011 14:04:00 GMT -5
This is angry Britain....
but we should not let retribution and punishment get confused.
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Post by jackthelad on Aug 19, 2011 14:52:14 GMT -5
This is angry Britain.... but we should not let retribution and punishment get confused. Punishment should be dealt out with a bit of common sense, a women sent to prison as had sentence cut to a few hours to a community service. Her crime was receiving a pair of stolen shorts. She happened to be in bed at the time of the riots. Thieving MP's are screaming for stiffer sentences, we should re-try all of them. |
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Post by pod 7 on Aug 20, 2011 8:49:28 GMT -5
Ok so the compensation claims are going through, if the insurance comp/wont pay then they say to go to the "Riot Compensations Act and seek your claim there, (That would be the British Government then )i wonder where they got the money from ? the tax payer again so your dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.
I also noticed some film --sorry CCTV--of a charming fellow discharging a revolver 3 times at Police & a Helicopter, what do we do with him then assuming they catch him ?
Because he missed (thank god) smack him on the wrist and send him home to mummy  or is that to harsh! ?
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Post by pod 7 on Aug 20, 2011 9:07:23 GMT -5
Punishment should be dealt out with a bit of common sense, a women sent to prison as had sentence cut to a few hours to a community service. Her crime was receiving a pair of stolen shorts.
jackthelad= she may well have been in bed as you rightly say-and mistakes will be made, no system is perfect,hence the appeals courts- but she still received stolen goods, if everything in this world was perfect it would be a dull old world- but as they say we learn by our mistakes--i am wondering how the police got on to her perhaps the person that stole them in the first place, shopped her NO HONER AMONGST THIEVES
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Post by pod 7 on Sept 17, 2011 9:20:45 GMT -5
I saw in the paper today that the nice little boy (the youngest to be arrested in the London riots)from Romford convicted of stealing from Debenhams, and put on a rehabilitation order last month, has been arrested AGAIN this time for stealing from ASDA in Romford, he admitted the theft but denied a charge of common assault in Haverings Magistrates court--looks like being soft on him appears to have no affect what-so ever----so much for the kid gloves approach then
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Post by piropo2 on Sept 17, 2011 10:02:33 GMT -5
I saw in the paper today that the nice little boy (the youngest to be arrested in the London riots)from Romford convicted of stealing from Debenhams, and put on a rehabilitation order last month, has been arrested AGAIN this time for stealing from ASDA in Romford, he admitted the theft but denied a charge of common assault in Haverings Magistrates court--looks like being soft on him appears to have no affect what-so ever----so much for the kid gloves approach then Bring back flogging, doubt he would have re-offended then,  |
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well said LyCia
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