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Post by Thor on Aug 26, 2011 8:21:56 GMT -5
It seems that every time a forum or message board lights-up a Religion or Politics section, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict quickly surfaces, and threatens to monopolize the conversation on threads that were intended for other purposes.
Here is a thread dedicated primarily to discussion of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and, by expansion, to issues related to the State of Israel and the Palestinians and their agencies and to the claims and aspirations and motivations and actions of both.
Time will tell - we'll know soon enough - whether there is sufficient audience interest in such a thread, as to warrant its longer-term existence, or its demise.
For those who are "into" such things - enjoy.
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Post by Thor on Aug 26, 2011 8:36:58 GMT -5
<edited> Long ago, when they were strong, and tried to push the Jews into the Med, along with much of the rest of the Middle East...
An Epic Fail that continues to cost them, to this very day...so the pictures from radioislam are not valid because they are from radioislam....ok... got thanks for your opinion based upon your redneck warped opinion again...and the jewish soldiers interviewed had a gun held to their head... got it.. ------------------- I never said that pictures (or was it reports?) from Radio Islam were invalid simply because they came from Radio Islam. I merely alluded to your (by-then, obvious) strong pro-Palestinian bias in seeking-out anti-Israeli propaganda from the Islamic world ( and hoping that the source would not be noticed?). Leaning on Radio Islam for your information is, shall we say, rather atypical for an American, in this brave new post- 9-11 world that we live in...  And that is not a "warped redneck opinion", old sod. Raising an eyebrow at sources such as Radio Islam is entirely typical of Western attitudes on the subject in this post- 9-11 world of ours - nothing to do with rednecks, I'm afraid. As to somebody holding a gun to the heads of the couple of Israeli soldiers who gave an interview decrying the seizure of Palestinian autos and shooting-to-kill at Palestinian rioters and bulldozing-down Palestinian housing during a round of expansion, well... They weren't saying anything that the entire world wasn't aware of already, and they were talking about things that much of the world is willing to overlook (or, at least, unwilling to go to war over) in order to let the Israelis finish consolidating their hold on remaining disputed lands so as to put an end to that mess... Besides, I don't remember anybody holding a gun to the head of Hanoi Jane, or Benedict Arnold, when they did what they did, either, do you?  |
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Post by Thor on Aug 26, 2011 8:59:09 GMT -5
Long ago, when they were strong, and tried to push the Jews into the Med, along with much of the rest of the Middle East...
An Epic Fail that continues to cost them, to this very day...the beauty is the arabs control all the oil... the lifeblood of the US.... and hence they can choke us and Israel anytime they want... not to mention they have that awful atheistic, immoral country Russia right next door to oversee everything... and Iran with nukes that can reach Israel... -------------------- So... The Arabs shutting-off the oil faucet, and choking the United States, or the Western World, on behalf of the Palestinians, or Islam-at-large, would be a thing of beauty, eh? Really? Hmmmmm... Understood... Oh, and, by the way... Regarding the Arabs shutting off the faucet... Unlike the first Arab Oil Embargo - 1973 - a pre- 9-11 event, prior to a hardening of Western attitudes... It's one thing to hold the pink slip on the oil wells... It's quite another to be able to hold them if you tick-off your biggest customers badly enough... Within days of the faucet being turned off... We will see "demonstration flights" of B1s and B2s and B52s and F22s and Tomahawks and the like, in the skies over the capitals of anyone foolish enough to do such a thing... And if the demonstration flights don't work, you know what happens next... Gulf War III would be entirely one-sided... And would not yield the result that you appear to seek... Pakistan will keep its mouth shut, and the Russians won't lift a finger, other than to squawk about it for ten days in the United Nations Security Council and the General Assembly... Iran won't do jack about it either... Not unless they want to be turned into a glowing slag-heap of melted glass within 60 minutes of them launching a first strike... And, when it comes to forcing the faucet back open... Most of the rest of The West would back the U.S. in such an undertaking... Guaranteed... So... Let's just hope it doesn't come to that, rather than wishing for it, eh? |
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Post by Thor on Aug 26, 2011 9:13:24 GMT -5
<edited> Long ago, when they were strong, and tried to push the Jews into the Med, along with much of the rest of the Middle East...
An Epic Fail that continues to cost them, to this very day...but you keep thinking your ignorant zionist fantasies...Israel is surrounded by Muslim countries, which includes some nuclear powers like Pakistan... they would be smart to negotiate...not even the US technology will be able to protect them when it rains missiles from all sides.... perhaps you can share your special tool sets which you have been making reference to so many times....I am sure your <bleep> combined with their Torah will serve them quite well.. -------------------------------------- Ignorant Zionist fantasies? What ignorant Zionist fantasies are those? Like most guys who are still drawing air... I have several ignorant fantasies. All of them revolving around very beautiful women. But I keep those to myself and try not to dwell on them. I don't remember any of them having a particularly Zionist flavor, however. Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what these "ignorant Zionist fantasies" are. ---------- Israel is surrounded by Muslim countries? Indeed. And the Israelis have kicked their collective backsides time after time after time since 1948. Including the Wars of 1948 and 1967, in which the Israelis had little or no help from the U.S. They are the descendants and survivors of the Diaspora (the 1900 -year-long Scattering of the Jews) and the Holocaust. They lost 6,000,000 of their own, courtesy of Euro-Trash, within living memory. The Ultimate Underdogs of History. They are determined not to let it happen ever again. And I believe them, when they say that. -------------------- Oh, and, by the way, Pakistan is NOT one of the countries surrounding Israel. I think the Pakistanis are a bit down-the-block from where the Israelis have set up shop, yes? ------------------ If it "rains missles" on the Israelis "from all sides", it seems likely that Mecca and Medinah and Beruit and Damascus and Tehran and Riyadh and Cairo and the like will disappear in a blinding flash of light and heat, before those missles land on Israeli soil. Somehow, I doubt that even the Radical Islamists running (or influencing) a couple of those second- and third-string countries are stupid and crazy enough to want to bring it to that. You, on the other hand, seem to thirst after it. Perhaps I've misinterpreted. --------------------------------------- As to "special tools", I have no idea what you're talking about. It seems equally clear that the same can be said of you, in this context. |
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Post by Thor on Aug 26, 2011 18:19:18 GMT -5
<edited> From the God (Evidence) thread... thanks for posting that, thought... thor has his head up up a$$ so far, he will never see daylight. Jews are treating the Palestinians exactly the same way they were whining about how the Germans were treating them, and now the US is helping them. Then thor wonders why the Arabs rejoiced when 9-11 happened. ======================================== " Jews were treating Palestinians exactly the same way..." ---------- Truly? I had not heard that the Israelis had begun gassing and cremating Palestinians by the millions. That would be a very bad thing. ==================== "...the US is helping them..."-------------------- Sure. Take a people... Scatter them for 1,900 years... Persecute them and subject them to murderous pogroms for 1,900 years... Expel them from many of the countries of Europe for centuries at a time... Murder them by the scores of thousands each century throughout those same 1,900 years... Declare them Dhimmis throughout the Middle East and Asia Minor and make them second and third class citizens of every country from Scotland to India, for much of those 1,900 years... Force them and their religious practices underground and make them a closed society... Let them build great wealth, then borrow it, then default on your loans; bankrupting many of their great houses... Let them back into your countries and communities, then force them into ghettoes in nearly every European country... Promise them a return to their ancestral and/or spiritual homeland... Then renege on that promise after many had gravitated back there and had begun purchasing land... Blame them for all the ills of Europe and the world and one of the world wars... Herd them into death camps and slaughter them by the millions with firing squads and gas chambers and being worked to death as slaves... Kill their women and children and elderly right away and milk every last drop of sweat and labor from their men before gassing and cremating them as well... Try to bar them from redeeming the promise made to them for a homeland of their own... Try to interfere with their ability to defend themselves when all of their neighbors gang-up on them and try to slaughter them in their new home and try to push them into the Med... Yeah... There's nothing in all of that that would appeal to the Average American, who stereotypically favors the underdog... Especially an underdog that has been kicked-around for 2,000 years or so... No surprise there, I expect... Perhaps when the Palestinians have suffered 1/50000th of what the Jews have, the non-Islamic part of the world might give a bit of additional substance to any sympathy extended to the Palestinians... Besides...as Americans, WE choose who to befriend... We neither require nor seek the approval of the Arabs... Last I looked, we weren't allowing them to vette and approve our alliances... Besides... The Israelis make great proxies... Keeping the Arabs from getting too far out of hand... RealPolitik... A win-win situation... An occasional terrorist act or two notwithstanding... ====================================== "...Then thor wonders why the Arabs rejoiced when 9-11 happened."------------------- I don't wonder why. I know e-x-a-c-t-l-y why. Looks like we got the last laugh, though, with Osama bin Laden...yes?  |
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Post by Thor on Aug 26, 2011 20:30:20 GMT -5
<edited> From the God-Evidence thread... ----- utilizing an Israeli human rights activist website to pull your data...bwhahahhaaha.......first he complained the data was from radio islam.. not acceptable
now he is complaining the info is from a jewish human rights site.... still not acceptable... bwhhahahahahaha... how predictable is thor... told you....
I suspect thor must be another zionist jew himself.. ISRAEL RIGHT OR WRONG....mwhaahhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa ------------------- I complained that the data was from Radio Islam? No. I ridiculed the objectivity of your data. And thought it rather odd that an American would frequent such sites, post 9-11. I complained that other information was from an Israeli website? No. I merely opined by implication that those naive tree-huggers would be the first to have their throats slit if the Palestinians ever gained control of Israel. I did not make excuses for the Israelis. I merely stated that I understood very well why they do what they do. As to me being a Zionist Jew... You've spent the last four years on MSN trying to tag me as a practicing Christian... And now, suddenly, I'm a Jew... And a Zionist Jew, no less... My Irish-German Roman Catholic ancestors are rolling over in their graves laughing at that one... You really DO need to make up your mind about this... You aren't in the middle of another Manic Depressive cycle, by any chance, are you? |
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Post by Thor on Aug 26, 2011 20:51:12 GMT -5
<edited> From the God - Evidence thread... ----- If I were a Palestinian, I'd consider moving to another country.by the way, I know you were homeschooled thor, but the palestinians were there long before the jews...perhaps you are spending too much time in your other dimensions... ------------------- The Palestinians were there long before the Jews? Depends on who you talk to. And what DNA samplings you've taken, for comparison against archeological forensic samplings. The Jews migrated from the deserts and grasslands and into the coastal areas of Caanan-Judea during late prehistory and seized the land from its former occupants. It's a good bet that most modern-day Palestinians are a genetic mix of the blood of the Caananites and Judeans (Jews/Israelites) and Romans and Parthians and Egyptians and Bedouins and European Crusaders and Muslim-African conquerors and Byzantines and Samaritans and Turkomen and Mongols and Nubians and the like, who had Islam forced down their throats at the point of a sword the better part of a thousand years ago. Perhaps if the Palestinians, and their neighbors (Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Libya and the like) would have honored the original Partition of Palestine as outlined by both the Balfour Declaration and more specifically by the United Nations, and left well enough alone, they would not now be in the mess they're in, but ...no... they just HAD to try to push the Jews into the Med in 1948. The Palestinians and their so-called Arab brethren chose poorly, and have been dealing with the consequences of that poor choice, ever since. After 2,000 years of muderous oppression, the Israeli-Jews now have a little sliver of land that they can call their own, surrounded by the vast territories and land-mass of their protagonists. I expect that they plan to hold onto it, don't you? I know I would, in their shoes. Besides, the Israeli-Jews have one Ownership Right in their favor that is indisputable at present... After 2,000 years of wandering and persecution... They finally found the backbone to stand up for themselves again... And kicked butt, repeatedly, and thoroughly, against frightfully overwhelming odds... They have won themselves a homeland by force of arms... And you know what ol' Brennus said to the Romans... Vae victus... I mean...after all...that same concept worked for Muslims for several centuries, didn't it? And now the Sons of Dhimmis push out the Sons of Former Masters... Ironic... The sooner the handful of remaining Palestinians take the hint that the Israeli-Jews are dug in like tics and are there to stay, and the sooner they abandon their rat-trap 60-year-old Camps and Camp Towns, and disperse into their surrounding neighbor-nations, the sooner we'll have peace in that little one-horse territory... Heck, I'd bet that the Jews would even be willing to pay moving costs and some kind of lightweight compensation to help them get a new start - in order to finish the 60-year-old job of flushing them out of there... The Arabs have 95% of the land mass over there... The Jews have 5%... Let 'em have the damned 5% and be done with it... They're gonna keep it anyway, whether you or I like it or not... Might as well concede reality and help everyone move past this... |
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Post by Thor on Aug 27, 2011 9:05:22 GMT -5
We could spend days posting excerpts and photos of dead and injured on both sides - children included, as a play on sympathies - and still be where we started at the end of it.yeah.. you tell them thor... go back to the end of the line
Check the number of Palestinian deaths (3 to 5 times those of Israelis and they were not all suicide bombers!) but media, particularly American medias do not like to report them as often as Israelis' death www.ifamericansknew.org/media/ap-report.html
www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1230-01.htm
"Palestanians Deaths vs Israeli Death. September 28th, 2000 - February 15, 2006
Total Number of Palestinian deaths] : 4209
Children: 892 Women : 273 Men : 3044
[Palestinians killed by Jewish settlers] 72
[Palestinians killed as a result of Israeli shelling] : 83
[Deaths as a result of medical prevention at Israeli checkpoints] : 117
Of them stillbirths (born dead at checkpoints) : 31
[Number of Palestinians extra-judicially assassinated] : 561
Of them bystanders killed during extra-judicial operations: 253
[Total Number Israeli deaths]: 1113 ======================================= As I said, we could spend days going back and forth spewing statistics on Israeli and Palestinian civilian deaths, from point-in-time A or B or C or D - pre- or post-Intifada 1 or 2 - and still be playing endless back-and-forth one-upsmanship at the end of the day. Gotta love the Tree Hugger -caliber websites that this data is coming from, too; make it from CBS or NBC or ABC, or make it from UPI or AP, or make it from the BBC or one of the more reputable French or German or Italian or similar news services, and folks might be a bit more inclined to lend a bit of credence to it. But even if each-and-every bit of your data is entirely true, for the particular and narrow time-sequence (post-Intifada) that you have in mind here... This gets us absolutely nowhere. Palestinians kill Israelis indiscriminately via rocket attack. Israelis kill Palestinians slightly less indiscriminately via retaliatory ground incursions. Dog bites man. No news there. A "Captain Obvious" moment, by the look of it. ;D It's just that - having made the mistake of not playing ball with the 1948 Partition of Palestine - and having made the mistake of trusting their Arab neighbors to fight for them and to win all of Palestine for them - and having made the mistake of losing in 1948 and beyond - and having made the mistake of not taking the hint and moving away but choosing to live in Camp Towns for 60+ years rather than striking out and making a new life for themselves elsewhere... It's just that the Palestinians get the worst of the exchanges... Even though they're foolish enough to start most of them... Not to mention failing to convince Hezbollah and Hamas (and, earlier, the PLO) to come to the table back in the days when the Israelis might still have entertained such notions... Not too bright of them. What was the old and famous line? The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. |
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Post by Thor on Aug 28, 2011 23:14:08 GMT -5
<edited> From the God > Evidence thread... why don't you examine thor's response ... a bigoted remark about palestinians ... he hates them and doesn't care why... ------------------ Nothing bigoted about my opinion towards the Palestinians. I think they and their Arab neighbors behaved stupidly. Dumb-as-a-box-o-rox, quite honestly. And said just that, here. It's all right here - immediately above - for anyone to see. I do not hate them. I think that they behaved stupidly, and chose poorly... And that they are now dealing with the consequences of their foolishness in not playing ball about the 1948 Partition of Palestine and trying to push the Jews into the Med... I also think that they're being thick-headed and dense about hanging around rather than recognizing the inevitible, pulling up stakes, and moving elsewhere, permanently... As to not caring why... That remark was not about bigotry... That remark was about Palestinians dancing in the streets after 9-11... I said that I understand WHY the Palestinians danced in the streets after 9-11... I said that I simply did not CARE why... The point being, that they rejoiced in the death of 3,000+ of my fellow countrymen... Nothing bigoted about that... Merely a circling of the wagons alongside my fellow countrymen... I am highly partisan with respect to the US, and even with respect to Israel, although I have no dog in that fight... And I am entitled to (a) my opinions and (b) voice them... Your apparent Arab-Palestinian - centric opinions to the contrary notwithstanding... |
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Aug 31, 2011 22:03:04 GMT -5
I've received a reply from my email to ProBoards Abuse Dept. . . .
Re: Abuse Report (Ticket #7363)
7:20 PM
From: ProBoards Abuse Department (abuse@proboards.com)
Sent: Wed 8/31/11 7:20 PM
To: Forever Kewl (foreverkewl1@hotmail.com)
That would be acceptable.[/i] ProBoards Abuse Department www.proboards.com/Terms of Service: www.proboards.com/tosCommunity Guidelines: www.proboards.com/community_guidelines______________________________________________ On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Forever Kewl <foreverkewl1@hotmail.com> wrote: You've got to be kidding me. So, if the posts are changed to read Palestinian, they can remain? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abuse@proboards.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:07:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Abuse Report (Ticket #7363) To: foreverkewl1@hotmail.com Hello, We received your abuse report regarding the forum crapthenameescapesme.proboards.comWe must insist that the posts listed in the warning be removed as "Pali" is an offensive term for "Palestinian". ProBoards Abuse Department www.proboards.com/Terms of Service: www.proboards.com/tosCommunity Guidelines: www.proboards.com/community_guidelines[/b][/size][/color][/font]
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Post by Thor on Sept 1, 2011 8:19:06 GMT -5
Well, wadda-ya-know... ;D Kudos to Forever for her patience and even-handed dealing, as this little drama and learning experience unfolded.
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Sept 1, 2011 8:24:11 GMT -5
You're very welcome, Thor. Being fair-minded and even-handed is the only way to moderate, IMO.
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Post by londonladypiff on Sept 1, 2011 8:58:14 GMT -5
dont dare call me a BRIT lol
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Sept 1, 2011 9:00:22 GMT -5
Why, I would nevah! ;D
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