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Post by soflamom on Aug 13, 2011 16:39:06 GMT -5
I did like his answer on Romney care vs. Obama care. Of course you did. It has been worked on by the best spinners in the insurance lobby for years. Well, they did a good job for him because I've been wondering how he was going to get around that prickly problem. I guess they found a way.
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Post by soflamom on Aug 13, 2011 16:40:30 GMT -5
I'm listening to Bachmann at the Iowa straw poll right now . . . I don't dislike her (don't know much about her actually) but I don't think she's the right person for POTUS.
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Post by txnannarose51 on Aug 13, 2011 20:02:28 GMT -5
I like Rick Perry, but not on all things. he hasn;t done anything to stop immigration. I being a Texan, knows how bad it is here in Texas. I think the might get up in the Polls some.. he might even come down to Romney or him. But.. Baughman won in Iowa. So, who knows... I do like Romney.. but.. as a Conservative. I will back the GOP nominee. BO has to go, we cannot survive 4 more years of his BS.. IMO
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Post by a on Aug 14, 2011 8:03:31 GMT -5
We've survived 2 plus centuries of plutocratic oligarchy, we'll survive another 4 years. But then, no government/society/civilization has or will last forever...
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Post by txnannarose51 on Aug 14, 2011 9:00:15 GMT -5
Some of Perry;s Accomplishments.
A constitutional amendment requiring a two-thirds vote of the legislature to increase state taxes; Making permanent the recent tax cut extended to 40,000 small businesses in the last legislative session (under current law, the $1 million business margins tax exemption will expire in 2011); Imposing criminal penalties on employers who knowingly violate employment laws by hiring workers who are in Texas illegally; Paving the way for ongoing job growth by purging unnecessary laws and regulations that stifle Texas entrepreneurs; Texans are safer because his border security efforts have led to a 60% decrease in border crime; Fights for better schools; Made job creation a top priority of his administration. In 2008 Texas created more jobs than all other 49 states combined; and Governor Perry is the only Texas Governor since WWII to sign a budget cutting general revenue spending.
Governor Perry has led us in Texas successfully since 2001 and will continue to lead us successfully in the future. Governor Perry is a huge part of what makes this state and nation great
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Post by a on Aug 14, 2011 10:01:02 GMT -5
"A constitutional amendment requiring a two-thirds vote of the legislature to increase state taxes;"
Didn't pass...
"Making permanent the recent tax cut extended to 40,000 small businesses in the last legislative session (under current law, the $1 million business margins tax exemption will expire in 2011);"
Wasn't made permanent, extended 2 years...
"Imposing criminal penalties on employers who knowingly violate employment laws by hiring workers who are in Texas illegally;"
Not yet rated...
"Paving the way for ongoing job growth by purging unnecessary laws and regulations that stifle Texas entrepreneurs;"
Not yet rated...
Claim omits El Paso, Laredo, Brownsville and other burgs where most people live My "border security efforts have led to a 60 percent decrease in border crime." False...
Pffftttt.....
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Post by Coldwarrior on Aug 14, 2011 10:07:19 GMT -5
If they are going to change the Constitution, then it would be wise to include a line item veto for the President. Congress granted that to Clinton temporarily after he vetoed a lot of bills. Then Rudy Guliani sued in the USSC on the Constitutional grounds that Congress was the only body that could allocate money. RG won and since then it has been a free for all of special amendments granting money for the ridiculous. That's where a great deal of money went and they blame the president for spending it.
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Post by soflamom on Aug 14, 2011 10:45:26 GMT -5
Personally I will not get over the Rick Perry Merck connection . . . I would rather not vote than vote for him. He's plastic, fake, and a wolf in a well-coiffed 's clothing.
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Post by soflamom on Aug 14, 2011 10:46:45 GMT -5
Nanna Rose - what do you think of Ron Paul?
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Post by txnannarose51 on Aug 14, 2011 11:02:30 GMT -5
I keep getting thrown off and having to log back in.
I did not say Perry was perfect. But he has done a lot for the state, IMO.. He hasn't done enough for the illegal problem, but neither has the WH.
Many people and businesses are moving here for jobs. We are a right to work state.
IMO, it will come down to Romney or Perry. I am leaning more to Romney
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Post by txnannarose51 on Aug 14, 2011 11:03:09 GMT -5
Ron Paul has weird ideas, some I like, but I cannot support him.. IMO, he is too way out there
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Post by soflamom on Aug 14, 2011 11:12:46 GMT -5
Ron Paul has weird ideas, some I like, but I cannot support him.. IMO, he is too way out there I like him more and more, but then again I trend very libertarian. My favorite quote from his straw poll speech: "We cannot protect liberty by taking liberty away from the American people." I don't think the military industrial complex will ever let someone like him take office.
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Post by shirina on Aug 15, 2011 11:46:25 GMT -5
I don't trust Rick Perry. I don't trust anyone who leads a prayer meeting for 30,000 people funded by the hateful and bigoted American Family Association - the organization that believes freedom of religion only applies to Christians, the organization that tried to boycott a number of large businesses that did not actively discriminate against gays.
His economic policies MIGHT be fine (now that he's in the race, I'm going to check into that), but I just cannot get behind religious fanatics. I do not want that kind of person in the White House, especially when he is one of those annoying Old Testament Christians.
These people drive me crazy - the ones who are more concerned about sitting in judgment of everyone ELSE's morals but their own using the standard hellfire and brimstone tactic as a means for bullying on a macro scale. What kind of Christian would want to get rid of Social Security and Medicare? False ones, perhaps.
The AFA is actually calling their crusade against gays a "culture WAR" ... that's right, a war! And, if there is anything unconstitutional going on in America, it's those definition of marriage amendments being voted into state constitutions. Religious beliefs have no place in our legislation ... anywhere.
Rick Perry's connection to an organization like the AFA is just as disgusting to me as Obama's connection to Ayers is with some of you.
Besides, the GOP doesn't have a plan for anything. The best they could come up with was Ryan's "Roadmap for America" which even Republicans hated.
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Post by Coldwarrior on Aug 15, 2011 13:51:07 GMT -5
Obama will be re-elected in a landslide regardless of which ever slick haired doubletalking used car salesman the Republicans put up for the victim. He will be re-elected because by the time of the election, this economy will have improved to a point where there are more jobs and more hope.
A couple economic indicators that apparently economists never examine are Metal Working Industrial Fluids and Machine Tool orders. Fluid sales are booming which means manufacturing is increasing. Machine tool orders are projected to rise about 14.5 percent over the next 3 years. They need the machines to make the products and the tools are long delivery items. It seems the manufacturers aren't as pessimistic as the talking heads say.
What will throttle machine tool orders is interest rates. That's the price of money. With 3 trillion stashed in various boxes in this country, the amount of money isn't a problem. If interest rates don't exceed the inflation rate which the companies can pass on with the price of their product, they don't have a big problem with it.
The days of demand creating supply is long gone. Today, supply creates demand. Advertising convinces people to buy and when they buy, more people have to make the stuff. With the attitude of things getting better, people are inclined to buy bigger more expensive things. The ball rolls uphill.
It is in the Republicans interest to paint the blackest picture in the gallery and say Obama is the artist. It's an old song, that has become stale. It won't sell anymore.
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Post by beags on Aug 16, 2011 18:44:11 GMT -5
Bush wasn't the best president ever, we all know that. Obama isn't much better IMO.
If all the Republicans can come up with is some religious zealot who is going to divide this country than Obama will have another four years to raise our defict at another alarming rate. (I realize Bush did that also. . but it took 8 years for Bush to raise it that high, Obama did it in less than four. We don't need another four years of Obama either.)
I'd like to see some viable third party candidate win the election because the Republicans and Democrats have NOTHING.
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Post by susala on Aug 16, 2011 19:44:30 GMT -5
Perry really is way too close to the Christian Taliban, imo. No matter what else he's done, cuddling up to an organized group who believes that the "freedom of religion" clause of the First Amendment only applies to Christians is too scary to get anywhere near the White House. I say that as a Christian.
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Post by shirina on Aug 16, 2011 21:38:34 GMT -5
There's no reason to assume that Obama's spending will continue in a linear fashion. Obama took control of a train that was already in the process of derailing and the bail-outs were an act of desperation. He could have simply let it all fail, but I agree with those who say that things would have been monumentally worse if that had happened.
Unfortunately, we can only measure how many jobs were lost or how many were gained; we cannot measure how many jobs were saved, so all we can do there is speculate. The Republicans have been dancing on Obama's head over the budget, but I'm reasonably certain ANY president whether right, left, conservative, liberal, or somewhere in the middle, would have done exactly the same thing. The problem is simply too big for one man to solve and certainly too big for one man to take the blame.
Even if Obama wins, he'll be around for 4 more years and then there will be a new president, and he'll come and go like all the rest. The underlying rot that caused it all - Wall Street tycoons and speculators with greedy schemes and short term profits in mind will remain.
The president is an easy and very visible scapegoat, and make no mistake, Obama is most assuredly being scapegoated. Obama didn't cause this fiasco and he certainly can't solve it. The banks, the corporations, Wall Street - they need to clean their own houses and start behaving with at least a modicum of ethics and morality if this is ever going to change. There is a revolving door on the White House, but the "good old boys" network among the wealthy is as constant as the Northern Star.
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Post by susala on Aug 16, 2011 22:25:04 GMT -5
Obama needs to be primaried. He has turned his back on Democratic principles and simply does not have the experience, will or sheer talent to be a leader. Or, he really is just a Republican in 's clothing.
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Post by txnannarose51 on Aug 17, 2011 7:58:16 GMT -5
I don't trust Rick Perry. I don't trust anyone who leads a prayer meeting for 30,000 people funded by the hateful and bigoted American Family Association - the organization that believes freedom of religion only applies to Christians, the organization that tried to boycott a number of large businesses that did not actively discriminate against gays.
His economic policies MIGHT be fine (now that he's in the race, I'm going to check into that), but I just cannot get behind religious fanatics. I do not want that kind of person in the White House, especially when he is one of those annoying Old Testament Christians.
These people drive me crazy - the ones who are more concerned about sitting in judgment of everyone ELSE's morals but their own using the standard hellfire and brimstone tactic as a means for bullying on a macro scale. What kind of Christian would want to get rid of Social Security and Medicare? False ones, perhaps.
The AFA is actually calling their crusade against gays a "culture WAR" ... that's right, a war! And, if there is anything unconstitutional going on in America, it's those definition of marriage amendments being voted into state constitutions. Religious beliefs have no place in our legislation ... anywhere.
Rick Perry's connection to an organization like the AFA is just as disgusting to me as Obama's connection to Ayers is with some of you.
Besides, the GOP doesn't have a plan for anything. The best they could come up with was Ryan's "Roadmap for America" which even Republicans hated. Please do not paint all Christians with such a broad brush. I cannot stand people who do this as well. Just because you beleive in God, does not make you a biggot. Thanks!
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Post by txnannarose51 on Aug 17, 2011 7:59:10 GMT -5
Obama needs to be primaried. He has turned his back on Democratic principles and simply does not have the experience, will or sheer talent to be a leader. Or, he really is just a Republican in 's clothing. He is definately a wolf in sheeps clothing....IMO
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