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Post by starlight07 on Nov 24, 2011 15:48:16 GMT -5
Is rock dead?With less rock music in the charts than at any time in recent memory, Tom Townshend asks if this once dominant genre has had its day…To read more - music.uk.msn.com/features/is-rock-deadHas rock music declined or is it not being shown in the media as much anymore?
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Post by Macbeth on Nov 24, 2011 19:17:33 GMT -5
Hi starlight...Good thread !! Did you know...Guinness don't NEED to advertise....people don't need to be encouraged to try it/buy it....it's that good. Manufactured pop music swamps the charts because sooooo much money is thrown at it.......we are forced fed it 24 hours a day....but Rock isn't and yet Rock Bands and Concerts are still seen by millions and enjoyed by those millions without all the high pressure promotion. Rock doesn't NEED to advertise itself.....people don't need to be encouraged to try it/buy it....it's that good. The report, therefore, written by a journalist to earn his daily crust....is irrelevant. Said to stir things up and cause debate...... Whoopy Doo.......Rock is and always will be...here to stay !  |
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Post by Macbeth on Nov 24, 2011 19:22:17 GMT -5
Oh....and the 4th biggest grossing band/singer in the last year ?
A country and western singer.......and he did that without all the hoo ha and millions of Dollars to promote him.....
Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's any good or has worth to the public......
Take X Factor for instance ( on BOTH sides of the Atlantic )
LOL !!
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Post by a on Nov 24, 2011 21:09:36 GMT -5
I'll go along with that. IMO, the genre of rock is as dead as classical, jazz, blues, rock and roll, and so on.
Music is extremely subjective....the singles charts mean little to a great many people.
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Post by Macbeth on Nov 25, 2011 7:17:40 GMT -5
Nice one IIF !  |
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Post by isa on Nov 25, 2011 13:52:22 GMT -5
The UK Top 10 singles chart probably isn’t an accurate measure of the nation’s tastes. Rather it is a cesspool of corporate tripe marketed deliberately, to abhorrent extremes, at people who are too young/naïve to know any better. The companies executives who prey on children in such fashion are the music industry-equivalent of the drug dealer who sits outside schools in a white van.
I suspect it is the industry itself which is promoting the idea that ‘rock is dead’, as they have finally figured out that nobody wants their rock stars to be corporate-approved, Pepsi-endorsing, lip-syncing cretins, devoid of talent, charisma, and the soul required to write a song that means anything to anyone; thus, with a musically-educated and sceptical public, they have realised that they can no longer make money from producing the kind of cheap, cringe-worthy tat that is their forte.
Rock fans are probably still chuckling to themselves over this, from ’09 -
www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/dec/20/rage-against-machine-christmas-number-1
As IIF said, “the genre of rock is as dead as classical, jazz, blues, rock and roll, and so on“. I think this is because when a form of music has been as influential for as long as the above it becomes immortal. It doesn’t die. Its conventions are passed on to the next generation of musicians and fans. Rock music has expanded from 50’s simplicity into almost every other genre - funk rock, jazz rock, rap rock, electro rock etc - and in the process has influenced pretty much everything that has followed. It lives on in subsequent forms of music, just as the Blues lives on, just as many of the conventions set forth during the Classical period are still with us.
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Post by a on Nov 25, 2011 14:04:48 GMT -5
RIP - Bill Hicks
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Post by starlight07 on Nov 26, 2011 16:13:22 GMT -5
Hi Macbeth and thanks.
I take that means only bad things including music are advertised? Never thought of it that way.
I was wondering about this just now watching The X Factor and one of the judges was telling Misha not to worry about 20/12. It later hit my as to why. Why should the Christmas Number 1 spot go to The X Factor winners or most likely go to that winner? Is that some trend now in the music industry?
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Post by Macbeth on Nov 26, 2011 19:04:30 GMT -5
Hi starlight07 !
What is the point of Advertising....basically ? To influence into opting for the person/product/service being advertised.
The Hidden Persuader by Vance Packard deals with this subject.
I never said that only bad things including music need advertising....you are suggesting that and making conclusions from it.
Individual choice and free will enable us to make an informed opinion but we can always be swayed, persuaded even, to follow a certain path NOT of our choosing.
Going back to the Guinness analogy....one particularly brilliant piece of advertising started out as a negative against the product but it clearly indicates the ignorance of the consumer.....and who wants to be thought of as ignorant ?
Here it is :
" I've never tried it because I don't like it !
Generally the public are treated like idiots and need to be TOLD what they like....if you throw enough money at something, people will take note and be influenced by what they hear and see.
I'm not saying pop is bad...... just that given the phenomenal backing and air time it gets, the public cannot be but influenced by its popularity.
But to conclude that Rock is dying or dead is wrong.....simple.
Around 10 million viewers watch the X Factor....Rage against the Machine proved that it doesn't or shouldn't naturally follow that any X Factor " Christmas single " will make it to be the Christmas Number One.
A victory then of freedom of choice over calculated hype ?
Of course not.....people just swapped one advertising campaign for another !! LOL !!
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Post by The Machine on Dec 9, 2011 13:11:49 GMT -5
"Is rock dead?"
Nope. many of us musicians are doing it without selling out to greedy record label CEO's. Of course that means no mainstream radio airtime. But who needs the corporate run radio stations when you have the world wide web.
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Post by sgtjer on Dec 9, 2011 16:27:24 GMT -5
I might skip a mortgage payment here and there, but my subscription to Sirius Radio stays current!
I'm partial to rock, and blues, but jazz, country, crossover, you name it, if it's good, I'm listening.
Corporate or not, I use I-tunes to continue my collection, and make my own CD-s from that. Still got lots of vinyl and CD's, but digital works just as well.
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Post by femme on Dec 27, 2011 18:16:52 GMT -5
Rock is never dead IMO~
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Post by snerdley on Dec 28, 2011 5:57:47 GMT -5
I don't know. Aren't Nickelback and Daughtery pretty much rock? My son likes "Screamo" type music. I guess that would be rock. Personally, i like more dance/technopop type music.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Dec 28, 2011 6:49:52 GMT -5
What about Coldplay, Muse, The Kings of Leon, Snow Patrol, Kasabian,?
They are all doing OK.... Most of the best bands around.. are rock bands!
We had a couple of years over here.... where apart from the usual empty manufactured mush everyone was listening to rap. It got caught in a backlash from the rock genre who were observed actually playing their instruments.... and they made quite an impression.
I've only heard Screamos version of "Rolling in the deep" and it isn't great. Sounds like one of those Swedish death bands.......... Still I expect youngsters like it.
I'm only glad I just have M&M blaring away day and night, swearing and threatening his way through a nervous breakdown to contend with....from my kids.
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Post by femme on Dec 28, 2011 7:27:56 GMT -5
Rolling in the Deep by Adele...Best song and written by her Spellbound...
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Post by pg tipsy on Jul 11, 2012 9:02:08 GMT -5
We'll just have to start all over again!  |
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Post by Royston Vasey on Jul 11, 2012 9:56:54 GMT -5
If it were found to have expired then might one proclaim "Rock is dead! Long live rock!"?
Go well.
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