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Post by starlight07 on Mar 17, 2012 7:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by jackthelad on Mar 17, 2012 10:05:33 GMT -5
No and yes, there is no work out there for adults and youngsters who have left school, so where are they to find this work, if there is work out there it should go to the unemployed people. Let kids consentrate on their education, there are only so many paper rounds for kids, not enough for them all. I do believe kids are spoiled though, by parents that can afford to endulge them, they should be made to do jobs at home or for grandparents, work to earn their nick nacks.
You know talk is cheap, he want to put is money were is mouth is and help to sort out the problem if he thinks there is one. He is as bad as the old TORY minister, Norman Tebbitt, who said the unemployed should get on their bikes and look for work. The state of our roads are unsafe for cyclists because of bloody great pot holes in them. As well as unemployment benefit, the cost of the NHS would rise as well, treating the injured.
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Post by jonbel on Mar 17, 2012 12:21:44 GMT -5
Jack and I grew up in post-war Britain, where no-one had anything. If children wanted anything it was either second-hand or home-made. In those days we knew the price of nothing and the value of everything, and because we had so little we learned how to entertain ourselves. The word "boredom" never entered our vocabulary, we were as different from the children of today than you could ever imagine.
We wanted more for our own children though, and so we have inadvertently become part of the problem.
Lord Sugar is right in the way he thinks though. He might be a multi-millionaire now but he got there by working hard, and getting far away from his own East End market trader beginning, he seized every opportunity to make money that was legally available to him. But that was way back then, and this is now. Jack is right......there are very few jobs about. Our borders are wide open to anyone who wants to come here, legally or illegally. These people will work, for cash only, and for far less than the minimum wage required by law, so the native Brit has little chance.
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Post by starlight07 on Mar 17, 2012 13:06:36 GMT -5
Indeed Jack, that is what the Conservatives are well-known for.
He's attacking the benefit system too Jonbel which IMO is not right.
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Post by jonbel on Mar 17, 2012 13:43:38 GMT -5
He's attacking the benefit system too Jonbel which IMO is not right. [/quote]
I certainly don't agree with some of the cuts being made at the moment, but there are other things which should never have made it into the Benefit System in the first place. I don't think any Government should be providing the money to keep families, no-one should be paid by the State since that, my friend, is Communism. That's what happens when everyone is prepared to sit back and accept money.........the State will control the people.
I don't believe in any Child Benefits..........if you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em! Why should taxpayers fund the lifestyle of single mothers? They had the choice to practice contraception, so it's their own responsibility if they didn't. They get free housing, a grant to furnish the home and money to keep them. A reward for being feckless. All wrong IMO. By all means there should be help for the sick and disabled though, but we can't go on supporting all and sundry. There should be nothing for anyone who hasn't paid into the system either. Those of us who have worked and saved all our lives get nothing which we haven't paid for, so why should any stranger to this country get treated better than us, from the welfare system which we have paid into?
After WW2 there were many, many families who had lost their main breadwinner, so the women went to work to keep their families, mostly achieved with wider family support. They asked for nothing, expected nothing. It was called Pride.
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Post by jackthelad on Mar 17, 2012 13:49:56 GMT -5
What surprises me about Alan Sugar is that he is a socialist, a supporter of the Labour party. Now he says 13 year old should find work, 70 years a go they might have been able to. That was when we had heavy industry, like Steel making, Shipbuilding, Coal mining, and a Car industry, farms wasn't mechanised like they are to day, and relied on casual labourers. Kid would pick peas and potatoes to earn a bit of pocket money, a lot would go with their parents. I started work down a coal mine when i was 14 years old, after six weeks training, my father started work down the same mine when he was 13 years old. My father worked at the mine for 50 years, and died when he was only 64 years old, i worked down the same mine for forty years till Maggie Thatcher closed down most of the mines. I don't want those days back for our kids, but it appears some people do. Yes they do need to learn the value of earning money, but don't blame them because of the bad state of the economy, the government is keeping people in education longer, makes you wonder why. There is no work for them, even university graduates are struggling to find work, a lot of what is being said is just hot air from people lacking any concrete ideas.
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Post by isa on Mar 17, 2012 14:48:27 GMT -5
Jeez, somebody shut this old fool up. People really should be taken out of power as soon as they start to go down with senility.
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Post by starlight07 on Mar 17, 2012 14:50:30 GMT -5
What is surprising is how few left wing leaders and supporters in the UK have began taking hold of right wing ideology. What you see is actually a political shift to the right.
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Post by pod 7 on Mar 17, 2012 15:13:19 GMT -5
"After WW2 there were many, many families who had lost their main breadwinner, so the women went to work to keep their families, mostly achieved with wider family support. They asked for nothing, expected nothing. It was called Pride."
I agree with you there JONBEL, My father was used for target practice by the Germans as he parachuted into Belgium, so that made her a one parent person--no handout from the GOV/ JUST A WAR WIDOWS PENSION-which didnt last long
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Post by jonbel on Mar 17, 2012 15:44:45 GMT -5
Pod, we were a lucky family with both parents surviving all of it. One friend of mine lost her father very early in the war, she never knew him. Her mother, after a couple of years, remarried and he was killed too, so my friend was raised by her Gran. Another friend, one of three children, lost her Dad too. Her mum got 10 shillings a week Widows pension (or similar), and her rent was 12 shillings a week. She took in washing, worked as a cleaner and also in a Chippy.......in fact anywhere she could take her children. Nowadays she'd get a five bedroom house and endless benefits  |
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Post by busymom on Mar 17, 2012 17:33:39 GMT -5
My Dad was U.S. Navy, and Mom felt blessed that he got thru the war. He was what you might consider a "tough guy". About 4 years in the war, & he didn't put up with any sass from us kids. I actually had a paper route at age 14, and I was babysitting before that. At age 15 I had my first job that paid hourly wages which I brought home a "real" paycheck from working nights & summers. I don't think I've stopped working since, except for breaks to take care of family. (That's unpaid work!)  |
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