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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 31, 2011 14:43:04 GMT -5
A last ditch attempt to prevent the eviction of families from the largest unauthorised traveller site in England has failed at the High Court. Severely ill traveller Mary Flynn, 72, who lives at Dale Farm near Basildon, Essex, applied for an injunction to stop her eviction from the site where 80 families live. Mrs Flynn suffers breathing problems and also uses an electric nebuliser. But the case was rejected by judges at the High Court on Wednesday afternoon. Basildon Borough Council gave a legal undertaking to review fresh medical evidence relating to 72-year-old Mary Flynn before proceeding against her. From midnight, an order comes into force meaning Basildon Council will have legal powers to begin the evictions. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-14728042............................................................................................................ Do you think they should be evicted? They have been there a long time and its their land.
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Post by pod 7 on Aug 31, 2011 16:50:58 GMT -5
Spels i have just seen the news and only half of the land was given permission to be built on --its the half they have not got the ok on is the bit Basildon council are going to do the evictions, The fella i feel sorry for is the chap whos garden they have nicked (BBC T.V. )NOW HE`s really peed of with them so much so he set light to the fence they had erected on his land ,he then called the police and was promptly arrested he complained to the W.P.C. and said he was allowed to light fires on his property, should be interesting if he sues for wrongful arrest
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Post by Miss Who on Aug 31, 2011 17:27:52 GMT -5
No I don't think they should be evicted. It is as you say Spell it is their land, it is also going to cost somehwere in the region of 18 million quid to clear the site after they've been kicked off it. Plus where are they going to go? Why should they change their life style to please some jumped up little prat of a council worker.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Sept 5, 2011 10:53:25 GMT -5
The thing is..... they are now waving about the human rights legislation banner and calling their eviction racist. If people can build where they want...... whats stopping everyone from doing the same. I have a piece of land but it cannot be built on. If it could be, it would be worth a fortune.
Why one rule for one and not the other?......many people fall foul of planning regs and have to demolish buildings.
Why should there be preferential treatment?
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Post by Miss Who on Sept 5, 2011 12:21:18 GMT -5
I don't see it as preferential treatment spell, I see it as it's their land and there's no reason why they cant live on it. The same way I see there no reason why you cant build on your land. It's not all that long ago I was saying the same thing about a man who wanted to build a bungalow on his land for his soldier son who had been disabled in a war somewhere. The bungalow was on his land it was out of sight of any road and no one could see it yet he was refused permission to build. It was only after a lot of people got involved and signed petitions and such that he was finally able to build. These travellers have lived on that land for over 10 years, why now all of a sudden are they having to move, and as I said before where will they go? Plus the money it's costing to move them would be better spent on something really needed.
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Post by londonladypiff on Sept 6, 2011 10:48:43 GMT -5
Do they pay council tax
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Post by londonladypiff on Sept 6, 2011 10:51:09 GMT -5
well do they
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Post by jonbel on Sept 6, 2011 11:09:46 GMT -5
No, they don't pay anything at all towards anything whatsoever. They actually do own HALF the land they live on and have helped themselves to the rest, but many of them own property in Ireland. This "fight" has been on-going for almost the whole time they've been there. Basildon Council have offered them homes, and the offer was turned down on the grounds that they are "travellers", but they appear to be static travellers. They drive Range Rovers etc. but have no visible income apart from the Benefit system. Neighbours at one time discovered their electricity supply had been "re-routed". Ask the people who have the misfortune to live near to them. Ask about the increase in theft from local shops, and ask about the filth they have to clean up. Or how the value of their legally purchased properties has decreased dramatically. Ask the local Police. I have two friends who live in different parts of the area, but just far enough away to be relatively untroubled except by the large Council tax the lawful inhabitants have to pay to fund these people. It's an area I know very well, and have done for more than forty years. I have seen Crays Hill change.
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Post by tosh on Sept 6, 2011 11:40:42 GMT -5
If we allowed every nut job to build on their land without planning permission then there would be chaos.
Send them back to Romany.
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Post by jonbel on Sept 6, 2011 12:26:56 GMT -5
There is another aspect of their lives which is a cause for concern. A year or so ago, when anger over this issue was quite high in the area, one of my friends attended a W.I. meeting where a senior gypsy had been invited to put their side of the story. At one point he said the assumption that gypsies were thieves was wrong.............they "borrowed but repaid in kind" (said with a wink and a grin, meaning human excrement), in exchange for the fruit and vegetables taken from allotments or back gardens. Locals can testify to this practice. My friend was alarmed when he continued his talk, to hear that children aren't allowed inside the homes. The women are very houseproud, as well as fond of religious ornaments, so children are kept out. They even sleeep underneath the caravans, whatever the weather. I think that's a worrying thought.
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Post by schizo183 on Sept 6, 2011 16:35:48 GMT -5
If we allowed every nut job to build on their land without planning permission then there would be chaos. Send them back to Romany. they are not romany gypsies they are pikey's, irish travellers
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Post by schizo183 on Sept 6, 2011 17:00:43 GMT -5
The part of land they nicked was green belt land and the law protecting greenbelt land applies to everyone for the benefit of future generations so wtf do these cretins think they are?. There have been other cases where these people have bought land, knowing it to be greenbelt, then when a public holiday comes around and council offices are closed they moved in with diggers and truck loads of hard-core and tarmac and prepared the land for caravans. once they are there and the council offices re open they have to go through the lengthy process of court action to get rid of these people which can take years. We had about 20 caravans turn up on a local park overnight and that's over the road from a police station, they were there for about 3 weeks leaving heaps of rubble and rubbish, then one night, they had gone, later in the day they were found to have moved deeper into the park and took over the miniature golf coarse and more joined them. months later they went, the damage caused by these cretins was real bad, the golf course has been abandoned and left to overgrow. The government should rush laws through to rid this country of this vermin.
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Post by londonladypiff on Sept 6, 2011 18:38:09 GMT -5
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Post by pod 7 on Sept 7, 2011 14:53:56 GMT -5
i THINK THE EVICTION /AND CLEANUP BILL IS TO BE £18 MILLION and i read in the papers they said to Basildon councill we will go if you pay us (i think )£6million we will leave peacefully
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Post by jonbel on Sept 7, 2011 16:01:47 GMT -5
So that gives the lie to their love for living at Dale Farm, doesn't it? It's all about wringing even more money from Basildon Council.
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Post by Miss Who on Sept 7, 2011 16:23:28 GMT -5
i THINK THE EVICTION /AND CLEANUP BILL IS TO BE £18 MILLION and i read in the papers they said to Basildon councill we will go if you pay us (i think )£6million we will leave peacefully I've just lost all my sympathy for them. Now they're taking the piss.
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Post by jonbel on Sept 7, 2011 16:40:41 GMT -5
Who, they've been taking the piss for years!
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Post by londonladypiff on Sept 7, 2011 17:08:08 GMT -5
Well there ya go ,, piss takers indeed .
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Post by schizo183 on Sept 7, 2011 18:44:10 GMT -5
i THINK THE EVICTION /AND CLEANUP BILL IS TO BE £18 MILLION and i read in the papers they said to Basildon councill we will go if you pay us (i think )£6million we will leave peacefully I've just lost all my sympathy for them. Now they're taking the piss.And leaving all their shit behind, if the social security and inland revenue moved in on these free loading thieving bastards and investigated them for fraud and tax dodging then confiscated their vehicles they'd soon want to shift their arses back to ireland. There must be thousands of pikeys over here fiddling the social security system and nothing seems to be done about it, yet the government are jumping on the sick and disabled and doing all it can to cut down on what they pay them but the pikeys can afford luxury caravans and 4x4's and pay nothing into the system, no tax, no fuck all, and get away with it. I think i'll get me a caravan and try my luck
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Post by jonbel on Sept 8, 2011 3:25:26 GMT -5
You would be caught Schizo...........you're English!
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