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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 11, 2011 16:25:34 GMT -5
Yes and it means you get to see a lot of the baby. My kids are still at home and it doesnt look like they will be leaving any time yet.
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Post by smeehereagain on Aug 11, 2011 16:26:42 GMT -5
I'm off to bed with my book girls - glad I managewd to find you and hope that more of 'us' find our way here eh?! See you soon x x x
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Post by smeehereagain on Aug 11, 2011 16:28:41 GMT -5
Yes and it means you get to see a lot of the baby. My kids are still at home and it doesnt look like they will be leaving any time yet.He is so delicious and such a contented little chap - dying to get my hands on him again Hope to chat again soon Spell, night love x
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 11, 2011 16:29:34 GMT -5
Goodnight Jane...
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Post by Miss Who on Aug 12, 2011 1:14:30 GMT -5
Spell is Sunshine My only sunshine on uk boards stopped posting ages ago
I asked about 'my only sunshine' ages ago, and someone told me she had stopped posting because anther poster was being very nasty to her about her sons. They also said she was posting on another format. I wish I had swapped addy's with her, as she is very much missed. She would love posting in here. Good morning by the way.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 12, 2011 3:41:04 GMT -5
Well this news story has certainly been splashed all over the news but really because people are shocked by its intensity.....We haven't had riots like this in a very long time.
Somehow...phone hacking and cash for questions pales into insignificance along the whole sale anarchy that we have just been witness to.
If anyone had any doubt there was a sickness in society...(and middle England are good at burying their heads in the sand) now they know for sure...and these issues have to be tackled
The debate has opened, some have had their concerns justified, some are using it to make political headway...but talk about it we must.
There are political concerns at the moment.. not least the economy. The world markets have been crashing for the last 10 days and we could all be a lot poorer if it doesn't stabilise. There is problems in the Eurozone...and members of the US congress have been behaving unpredictably which has made investors very jittery.
We need to sort out our own house but keep an eye on the economic situation imo.
The story is a lot bigger than just our problems.
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Post by ShadowsGathered on Aug 12, 2011 11:37:02 GMT -5
No she is Forever Sunshine from the US... but shes really nice and quite accommodating She has let us have a little UK area so the Brits are comfortable.
[purple]You sayin' you Brits can't be comfortable with us Yanks? [/purple]
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 12, 2011 12:58:28 GMT -5
Of course not....I just wanted Brits to know there were others about when they looked.
Its not the fault of the police that hundreds of youths decided to riot....the fault lies with the perpetrators. 6000 police from the met should have been enough to cope with any large disturbance...but the situation became hysterical and loads more people joined in.
The shooting of "that person"? most of the people who were rioting didn't even know his name It wasn't all black youth feeling aggrieved because one of theirs had been shot...There were whites, Asians and kids as young as 14 rampaging about setting fire to things because they thought it was a bit of a laugh. They stole things for themselves, clothes, mobile phones, ipods, TVs because rather outrageously they have a sense of entitlement.
Well they have... and now they are paying the price...The streets don't belong to yobbos and most of us sat watching their behaviour the other night... were completely aghast.
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Post by Evil_One on Aug 12, 2011 20:38:48 GMT -5
There's no hope in this country and all the politicians do is give us politicized sound bites.
There's so much damage that's been wreaked upon our society by the previous government and is being maintained now, I don't think our country will recover for a VERY long time... The targets culture, the benefits culture, political correctness, easier exams, luxurious prisons, low minimum wage coupled with incompetent police getting away with murder repeatedly (Jean Charles de Menezes for example, who got prosecuted for his murder?, no one) all that New Labour achieved in its far too many years in power was to remove all sense of accomplishment from society and beat down common sense to a point where our society is just falling apart. If you start legislating common sense, you remove power from parents and hand it to the police... If those police are then behaving in an irresponsible or outright criminal fashion and getting away with it, then you have a recipe for disaster.
Now we've a different government in name and appearance only, to all intents and purposes it's still New Labour, nothing has changed, all the stupid rules and regulations that New Labour imposed are still in effect and Cameron and Co. Don't seem overly interested in removing them, and every time something like these riots occurs El presidente is quick to denounce all the rioters as criminals and everyone demands that the police be given more gear and more powers to prevent it from happening again, without looking anywhere near the cause of the riots in the first place.
For example, before the student riots, the students themselves were protesting for month after month being completely and utterly ignored... Only when the riots broke out did the get noticed.
This country is becoming more and more like Marie Antoinette's France every day.
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Post by starlight07 on Aug 12, 2011 21:05:32 GMT -5
Yes, well, these rioters have caused criminal damage though. Though I agree with you that our politicians do not concentrate on the cause of these riots but in fact on how to stop them and what to do with the rioters.
Which goes to show that the only time you get recognized is when you make some noise. Still you don't get your way. There was a lesson to be learnt from that event....
However I'm quite surprised why politics is not being considered to also be the reason for the prolonged riots by some.....I don't think all the blame should go on the upbringing of children or the children themselves.
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Post by Evil_One on Aug 13, 2011 4:11:24 GMT -5
Yes, well, these rioters have caused criminal damage though. Though I agree with you that our politicians do not concentrate on the cause of these riots but in fact on how to stop them and what to do with the rioters.
Which goes to show that the only time you get recognized is when you make some noise. Still you don't get your way. There was a lesson to be learnt from that event....
However I'm quite surprised why politics is not being considered to also be the reason for the prolonged riots by some.....I don't think all the blame should go on the upbringing of children or the children themselves.
As I said, 'Marie Antoinette's France', the politicians of all parties are so incredibly out of touch with the public, they might as well be living in another country and only mew and bleat whenever anything goes wrong... I'm not sure if it's deliberate or they really are living in a bubble that they're too stupid to see out of.
I think the only lessons learnt so far from the student riots is 'It's better to be heard and not get your way, then to be ignored and get the same'.
Funny thing is the MPs themselves are guilty of looting from the public, and they got away with it.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 13, 2011 5:46:25 GMT -5
You could well be right.....few of us have any idea what is going on with the street kids in the likes of down town Brixton. Its a different world to our comfortable little corner of the uk.
Those with their noses to the ground have been raising concerns for a while....but its easy to forget about something that is not in your immediate vicinity and put in on the back burner.
Well now they know... and not before time imo. The debate has opened, the issues will have to be looked at and better provision for the disaffected and misplaced will have to be made.
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Post by Evil_One on Aug 13, 2011 6:32:54 GMT -5
You could well be right.....few of us have any idea what is going on with the street kids in the likes of down town Brixton. Its a different world to our comfortable little corner of the uk. Those with their noses to the ground have been raising concerns for a while....but its easy to forget about something that is not in your immediate vicinity and put in on the back burner. Well now they know... and not before time imo. The debate has opened, the issues will have to be looked at and better provision for the disaffected and misplaced will have to be made.
Oh the politicians will make a load of noise about how shocked they are all this has happened and how sorry they are about all the people who lost homes and businesses, but in reality it'll be business as usual for them... They may give the police more powers but the anger and disillusionment will begin to build again.
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Post by londonladypiff on Aug 13, 2011 7:17:33 GMT -5
hi pro,,this is the trouble no bloody freedom of speach ..shut our mouths and all will be ok ,,,,,this country is becoming a damm nazie state ,,,,,,people here want the looters ect benifets stopped ffs bloody disgusting but if you have money ur ok and whats this rubbish that people are now going to be evicted from thier council homes if family are involved.........i feel there maybe more trouble ahead this is what cams scared about ........uprising is whats needed once and for all.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 13, 2011 9:59:07 GMT -5
Except this wasn't a revolution......its about as far away from the Arab Spring as can be imagined.
Just a bunch of opportunist thugs and criminals helping themselves.
We live in a social democracy...if people wish to challenge government they need to get out and vote. However, to try and achieve through rioting what cannot be achieved through the ballot box....is totally wrong... and undermines the feelings of the majority.
I understand those on the far left/right got a bit exited.....but this was not a political riot.
#80 You would only get modded for violations of the CoC....a difference of opinion isn't grounds.
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Post by londonladypiff on Aug 13, 2011 10:06:20 GMT -5
Pro,,,,good post understand and agree with everything you posted.
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Post by londonladypiff on Aug 13, 2011 10:12:21 GMT -5
Except this wasn't a revolution......its about as far away from the Arab Spring as can be imagined.
I know it wasnt Spell but we need one before its too late for the little people who have little money and are frowned apon ,,,,,,,,,,,You say nothing about people being evicted ?...if one commits a crime they get fined or go to prison ,,,,,,but cam says nooooooo they ; will loose thier council place ,,,nazie state comes to mind and it bloody disgusts me ,,thats not what i voted for this damm lib/con state needs to be ousted simple as that. ;D
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Post by londonladypiff on Aug 13, 2011 10:17:39 GMT -5
We are now seeing 'justice' being metered out by the courts in London and one thing seems to becoming clear and that is, if you are poor or at least not well off you will be dealt with on the spot, no matter who little you may have stolen, but if you come from a wealthy family you will be given bail to allow your family to obtain a decent lawer........
Some public defenders are reporting that they have spent 14 hours in court dealing with one case after another.......
Today we have seen people who have stolen good to a small value either sentenced to months in jail or remanded to crown court but 2 days ago the daughter of a wealthy business man, who had stolen £5,000 worth of goods being given bail until the 7th Sept.......
We have also seen a mother who decided that the actions of her son were wrong and took him to the police to be dealt with in a court of law, being issued with an eviction notice because she lived in council housing......
The council are arguing that because she sign a tenancy agreement(Contract) which includes a clause about behaviour she has to go......This contract, unlike the one the government has with public sector workers, can NOT be broken........
We have Eric the Pickle now looking at ways this can be extended.....Wil the next step be, If you take part in any demonstration, including peaceful ones and get arrested for obstruction and live in 'social housing' you get evicted.........well it's one way of silencing dissent
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Post by Evil_One on Aug 13, 2011 12:07:55 GMT -5
We live in a social democracy.
No, we don't, we live in a Kleptocratic Oligarchy, the supposed 'democratic' system doesn't exist... Which ever side we vote for we get more of the same because each of the three main parties (and many of the smaller ones) are all beholden to the same paymasters, Banks, Big business and billionaires.
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Post by jackthelad on Aug 13, 2011 13:10:10 GMT -5
It appears some of you are in full support of the arsonist, murderers, and people prepared to do criminal damge. People who are prepared to mow down people who are only trying to defend their property and livelyhood. Burn people out of house and home, loot shops, some of the shops the owners are struggling to make ends meet them selves. The rioters, looters, murderers, are attacking the wrong people, i am not a lovers of our police force or the present government, but what they did didn't make a lot of sense to me. Now as far as Cameron trying to take the credit for the riots stopping is ridiculous, there is no depth that he won't stoop too to try and take credit for something he didn't do. Fast tracking the rioters and looters, smart move, why didn't they fast track all the fiddling MP's. Some of them didn't get charged for their crime of fiddling expenses, because they paid it back. The one's that went to court where treated leniently in my opinion, a couple of months in prison for illegally claiming thousands of pounds. Now today, i read where three girls were sent to prison for six months, two had not stolen anything, just happened to be there, the third had ten packs of chewing gum in her possesion. Now, in my opinion that is not justice, that is Cameron wanting is pound of flesh, hopeing people will think he is doing something about it. How many of the looters have they caught who stole all the expensive items, some have been on TV boasting about what they took and what they hoped to get for them when they sell them on. The whole business is a farce, a farce that is going to blow up in this governments face, and the idiot still intends to cut back on police personell. Stopping peoples benifits, and ejecting them from their council homes because their kids were involved in the riots, is another daft idea. Parents can't control their kids like they did fifty years ago, if they lift a hand to them they could get jailed for it, teacher's the same, but a short sharp shock to kids didn't do them any harm, and they learned if they did wrong they would be punished. Grounding kids is not a punishment, send them to there bedrooms, what a joke, most have TV's, computers, sterio's in their rooms. I wish i could have been punished like that, instead of a clout from my mother, and a caning from the teacher. All you get from the young people now is, you can't touch me. Nearly like what our members of parliament think, parliamentry immunity.
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