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Post by jackthelad on Jan 16, 2013 14:01:35 GMT -5
I don't think President Obama is trying to ban guns, only those assault rifles and the clips of ammunition for them. Never seen a nation as gun happy as the Americans, they are not happy if they are not looking like Rambo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 14:18:14 GMT -5
Oh what bull crap. I am sick of America bashing.
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Post by Dom on Jan 16, 2013 14:27:19 GMT -5
I have found just the piece for you, fozzem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 14:33:07 GMT -5
Why don't you test fire it for me and make sure it works. ;D
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Post by lonewolf on Jan 16, 2013 15:50:03 GMT -5
Thanks for that Link Mtman. I'll pass it onto DH. He told me earlier today that he read that WalMart has stated that they will not stop selling ammo.
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Post by lonewolf on Jan 16, 2013 16:01:51 GMT -5
I don't think President Obama is trying to ban guns, only those assault rifles and the clips of ammunition for them. Never seen a nation as gun happy as the Americans, they are not happy if they are not looking like Rambo. Rambo? LOL And just who exactly do you think they are trying to impress? Responsible gun owners, the majority, aren't driving around in their pickups, waving their machine guns in the air.
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Post by Coldwarrior on Jan 16, 2013 17:07:07 GMT -5
Save your .22 spent brass.....The owner of the gun shop in my town told me that reloaders are buying spent .22 brass to make the jacket on .223 bullets.
You guys really don't know squat about guns and neither does the owner of that gun shop. .22 rim fire bullets are tiny little things. There is no way to turn them into a .223 cartridge for an AR-15 or Bushmaster .223 cartridge unless they are smelted down into liquid brass and made into new cartridges. Then it's a new bullet. Although .22 rim fire long rifle bullets kill more people than any other cartridge it doesn't mean they are more lethal. It just means there are a lot of them. Even a 9mm round is not a knockdown round where you can be fairly certain that one round will incapacitate the bad guy. A 45 ACP is what you need for that. Small diameters with higher velocities work well too but for most people they are a bit too much in recoil power. Your arm will rise a foot with each shoot requiring a re aiming for the next shot all of which takes time you don't have in a critical situation. The .45 ACP rises too but not so much. The problem with all of these is that the bullets go thru walls and can hit people sleeping on the opposite side of the wall. A 223 cal fired from an assault rifle can pass thru the wall of a frame house and thru the wall of a neighbors house and hit someone inside. They make rounds for shotguns that dissipate their power on the first object they hit. If it's drywall, then you have a big hole in the wall but anyone on the other side is safe from serious harm. A bad guy in the house will absorb the same power as being kicked by a horse. He will go down and if he trys to get up a second shot to the noggin will stop that. So the best home protection gun is a pump or semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun with non-lethal rounds. They sell short barrel shotguns for just this purpose. You can use the same shotgun for bird hunting but you have to be close to the bird to be effective. Some shotgun manufacturers have interchangeable barrels so you can swap the barrels according to your needs. An if you are in a duel with your neighbor and he has a pistol of any kind or even an assault rifle and you have a 12ga. shotgun with buckshot within 50 feet of each other, you will win the duel.
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Post by Coldwarrior on Jan 16, 2013 17:15:51 GMT -5
The guy who shot up the theater in Aurora CO and the kid who slaughtered the First grade at Sandy Hook were both law abiding citizens up to the point of killing someone. The would have passed a backround check without a police record as long as they were old enough to buy one. In the case of the Sandy Hook killer, he just took his mothers legally purchased guns after he killed her. They were just like ordinary .223 Bushmaster and other assault rifle owners all over the country. Maybe even more sane than some. As these weapns will outlive their present owners, how can the present owners know that ultimately their gun may be used in a similar atrocity. They don't. Their own children or grandchildren may be either the victim or the killer using the gun they are so proud to own now.
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Post by janieshere on Jan 16, 2013 17:25:57 GMT -5
The guy who shot up the theater in Aurora CO and the kid who slaughtered the First grade at Sandy Hook were both law abiding citizens up to the point of killing someone. The would have passed a backround check without a police record as long as they were old enough to buy one. In the case of the Sandy Hook killer, he just took his mothers legally purchased guns after he killed her. They were just like ordinary .223 Bushmaster and other assault rifle owners all over the country. Maybe even more sane than some. As these weapns will outlive their present owners, how can the present owners know that ultimately their gun may be used in a similar atrocity. They don't. Their own children or grandchildren may be either the victim or the killer using the gun they are so proud to own now. All gun owners should lock their darn guns up and kept far away from others! No children (or ANYONE) with any kind of known problems) should even know where the guns are kept. This really pisses me off that parents (and others) are so careless with these killing machines! If gun owners were charged with negligence crimes for having their guns stolen from them, maybe, just maybe, they would be more responsible and careful about these weapons!
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Post by mtman on Jan 16, 2013 17:35:41 GMT -5
If gun owners were charged with negligence crimes for having their guns stolen from them, maybe, just maybe, they would be more responsible and careful about these weapons! Well.....This gets my vote for stupidest post of the day.
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Post by janieshere on Jan 16, 2013 17:43:43 GMT -5
If gun owners were charged with negligence crimes for having their guns stolen from them, maybe, just maybe, they would be more responsible and careful about these weapons! Well.....This gets my vote for stupidest post of the day. People should be charged with a crime IF it is proven that the guns were NOT kept locked and out of the hands of others! My rights to have a safe trip to the mall and the kids rights to live beyond school age SUPERCEDE your rights to have a gun and be careless with them!
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Post by jackthelad on Jan 16, 2013 19:21:07 GMT -5
If gun owners were charged with negligence crimes for having their guns stolen from them, maybe, just maybe, they would be more responsible and careful about these weapons! Well.....This gets my vote for stupidest post of the day. Yep, you get my vote for the stupidest response to Janies post, nothing stupid about telling people to take care of their gun/guns. The trouble is with some of you yank's, you regard guns has toys, you can't leave them laying around like a child's doll, they should be locked away. Better still, not own a gun at all.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 19, 2013 19:37:30 GMT -5
All gun owners should lock their darn guns up and kept far away from others! No children (or ANYONE) with any kind of known problems) should even know where the guns are kept. This really pisses me off that parents (and others) are so careless with these killing machines! ------------------ The NYPD has arrested the mother of a 7-year-old boy who brought a .22 caliber pistol and a full ammunition clip to a Far Rockaway elementary school Thursday, police said. www.timesledger.com/stories/2013/3/farrockguninschool_web_2013_01_18_q.html
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Post by janieshere on Jan 19, 2013 19:42:28 GMT -5
All gun owners should lock their darn guns up and kept far away from others! No children (or ANYONE) with any kind of known problems) should even know where the guns are kept. This really pisses me off that parents (and others) are so careless with these killing machines! ------------------ The NYPD has arrested the mother of a 7-year-old boy who brought a .22 caliber pistol and a full ammunition clip to a Far Rockaway elementary school Thursday, police said. www.timesledger.com/stories/2013/3/farrockguninschool_web_2013_01_18_q.htmlGreat! This needs to be widespread and enforced!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 20:27:21 GMT -5
I think we now crown Obama as the gun salesman of the Year! LMAO!!! ;D
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Post by mtman on Jan 19, 2013 22:18:49 GMT -5
I think we now crown Obama as the gun salesman of the Year! I agree......He has done more for gun sales in America, than anything the NRA could have done.
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Post by whoswho on Jan 20, 2013 12:13:52 GMT -5
Fuzzy with all the questions you're asking I believe you should take a class or two about guns. All we need is another person with "no clue" carrying around a gun!!! So yesterday was gun appreciation day, and guess what happens? Five people were wounded in accidents at gun shows in North Carolina, Ohio and Indiana on Saturday, according to authorities. In Raleigh, N.C., authorities said three people were wounded when a loaded shotgun accidentally discharged at the Dixie Gun and Knife Show at the N.C. State Fairgrounds. In Medina, Ohio, an exhibitor at a local gun show was opening a box containing a gun when the weapon went off, striking his partner, who was sitting next to him. In Indianapolis, state police said a 54-year-old man was loading his .45 caliber semi-automatic gun when he shot himself in the hand. Gun nuts are their own worst enemy. ;D
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Post by pilgrim47 on Jan 20, 2013 12:25:00 GMT -5
I think we now crown Obama as the gun salesman of the Year! I agree......He has done more for gun sales in America, than anything the NRA could have done. No, Adam Lanza has done more for gun sales than any would care to admit... As soon as something like this happens the freaks go out and empty the shelves.... "OMG! 26 people just lost their lives and now those ass holes are going to take my guns away from me!" Buy, buy, buy!
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Post by Dom on Jan 20, 2013 12:49:01 GMT -5
[ As soon as something like this happens the freaks go out and empty the shelves.... ................................................................................................ Whatta aboot the freaks that already have an arsenal of weapons ?
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Post by pilgrim47 on Jan 20, 2013 12:54:14 GMT -5
[ As soon as something like this happens the freaks go out and empty the shelves.... ................................................................................................ Whatta aboot the freaks that already have an arsenal of weapons ? Owning an arsenal of weapons doesn't necessarily make you a freak... But the "freaks" owning an an arsenal know how to fire up the freaks who are without an arsenal.
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