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Post by beags on Mar 8, 2013 15:02:34 GMT -5
No shit Sherlock, really? Tell me something I don't know, Einstein.
It's only the strong party followers who refuse to see the faults in their own party and love to see those same faults in the other.
I have always said the two parties are the flip side of the same coin.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 8, 2013 17:06:59 GMT -5
No shit Sherlock, really? Tell me something I don't know, Einstein. ---------------- Lol! I'm not the one who has no clue who Hugo Chavez is, Einstein.
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Post by beags on Mar 10, 2013 18:52:53 GMT -5
Is that truly all you have?
BORING!!! I thought someone who claimed to be as smart as you claim yourself to be would come up with something other than the obvious (like saying both sides do it). OR an attempt at an insult . . . and a rather poor attempt it was.
I could have come up with something better than that.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 10, 2013 18:56:48 GMT -5
It could be perhaps because I don't give a shit. Unlike some people who have to have their noses in every other country's business . . . AND tell them how to run it. Lol! You're adorable. I guess you're pretty, so you don't need to be smart?
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Post by beags on Mar 10, 2013 18:59:51 GMT -5
It could be perhaps because I don't give a shit. Unlike some people who have to have their noses in every other country's business . . . AND tell them how to run it. Lol! You're adorable. I guess you're pretty, so you don't need to be smart? nope and you prove it most everyday. I never claimed to be pretty either . . . but others have said I am.
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Post by beags on Mar 10, 2013 19:01:43 GMT -5
Again, you are boring me to death . . .
goodbye . . come back when you're ready with something . . . anything other than what you brought . . ok?
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 10, 2013 19:10:32 GMT -5
Again, you are boring me to death . . . goodbye . . come back when you're ready with something . . . anything other than what you brought . . ok? Don't like my posts? Don't read them. It's not rocket science.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 10, 2013 19:42:12 GMT -5
I get it just fine. Any government - federal, state or local - that places a fee between a voter and the ballot box is acting in an unconstitutional manner. It's that simple. If you have an issue with that, take it up with the US Constitution.
I'm hung up on what the Constitution clearly says. There is no ambiguity here. If the government is that worried about voter fraud, then the government can issue ID cards for free. Otherwise, it is unconstitutional.
Not for voting, pursuant to the 24th Amendment of the US Constitution. Ironically, poll taxes were first invented to keep African Americans from voting. Why? Because so many of them were poor. And, golly gee willickers, beags, why do you suppose Republicans are so hellbent on requiring state issued IDs to vote? Gosh, it couldn't POSSIBLY be to keep the poor, disabled, and the disenfranchised from voting, now, could it? You know, all of those people who might vote for a Democrat. Yeah, you think it's a small thing to get an ID, but for many, it is quite a big deal to cough up the fee, which can be as high as $30 in some states, when you don't have the money.
The very poor are going to look at that $30 and think ... food? Or vote? Food? Or vote? And that's what the GOP is counting on. You're the one not "getting it" because you simply have no idea what $30 means to someone in poverty.
I just explained how it is.
It's also in the heads of the GOP - and that's not the only dirty trick they've tried to pull in regards to voting. Everything from handing out leaflets in poor neighborhoods with the wrong date and time for voting printed on them to pushing to allow voting stations be open late and on weekends in Republican counties while keeping stations to bankers' hours in Democratic counties (this was in Ohio).
The proof is in the pudding. Remember this:
It doesn't matter if the GOP's little "master plan" didn't work. The point is - they tried.
Voting rights are sacrosanct in any democracy. If you put ANY kind of barrier between a citizen and the ballot box, then we no longer live in a true democracy. While you're so concerned over this absolutely infinitesmal threat of voter fraud, there are people who can't or won't vote because they can't find their birth certificate or because they'd rather buy $30 worth of food or because they're homebound and it's a struggle to get to the DMV or because some town, city, or county shouts the typical clarion cry of Social Darwinism: "Why should I have to pay for someone else's <fill in the blank>"
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Post by beags on Mar 11, 2013 21:13:06 GMT -5
Well did you ever think that they can't find it because they AREN'T a United States citizen? Honestly, how do they get anything else without proof of being a citizen? Are you telling me that your area/state/ does not require PROOF of citizenship before voting takes effect? Even in this podunk blink of an eye place they require a state issued ID or drivers license when you show up at the voting booth. You know what? This state is mainly democratic and has been for the last few elections. So requiring PROOF of citizenship by showing a state issued ID hasn't hurt the democratic party at all. DESPITE all the doom gloom and whining the dems want to do about it being required. Yes, the pubs are just as bad with their doom and gloom about how many illegals are voting. You have to be a United States citizen to vote.
How else are you going to prove that without a birth certificate or something that stated when you became a citizen if you were not born here? Tell me that.
Get off your party line and think.
The poor seem to find money for smokes and alcohol. that also takes away from food. Have you priced that stuff recently? I don't think $30 is asking too much and it sure as hell isn't an excessive fee.
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Post by beags on Mar 11, 2013 21:19:26 GMT -5
HERE ARE THE VOTING LAWS AND WHY SOMEONE SHOULD NOT BE DENIED nothing stated about fines here, but read on.
The U.S. Constitution stated in Amendment XXVI, which was ratified by the states in 1971:
"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."
The U.S. Constitution stated in Amendment XIX, which was ratified by the states in 1920:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."
The U.S. Constitution stated in Amendment XV, which was ratified by the states in 1870:
"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."
THERE IS NOT A DAMN THING IN THERE ABOUT FEES UNLESS YOU COMMITTED A CRIME THEN IT STATES THIS:
The U.S. Constitution stated in Amendment VIII, ratified by the states in 1791:
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."
UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE TO ME OTHERWISE . . YOU DEAR . . ARE WRONG.
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Post by Shirina on Mar 12, 2013 1:23:39 GMT -5
There are a million and one reasons why someone can misplace their birth certificate. Not having one in the first place is not on that list because you must have one before you can misplace it. By your logic, it's like saying because someone can't find their car keys, they must never have had them in the first place - despite the car sitting in their driveway. Well, gee, that's a very good question. You see, anyone serious about committing voter fraud will get fake IDs, which are not that hard to come by. They'll have their fake IDs to get the services they need. So really, what problem does voter ID laws actually solve? Other than trying to keep Democrats from the voting booth? I don't recall having to show ID to get my registration card. Ah, I see you have succumbed to this stereotype. Didn't anyone teach you that stereotypes are bad and usually untrue? I suppose Irishmen are always drunk, all Italians are members of the mafia, and Mexicans sit around snoozing under their sombreros, right? You should be ashamed of yourself for such prejudicial comments. Someone didn't raise you right. Oh, no ... of course YOU don't think it's too much. But are you living in poverty? No? Then you don't have the slightest inkling of which you speak. I'm going to overlook your oversight and pretend it was an accidental omission because otherwise I would have to assume that you deliberately ignored this part: The Twenty-fourth Amendment (Amendment XXIV) prohibits both Congress and the states from conditioning the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a poll tax or other types of tax. The amendment was proposed by Congress to the states on August 27, 1962, and was ratified by the states on January 23, 1964 But here's what I find interesting, beags: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:24th_amendment_ratification.svg[/img] Take a look at the map above (or not since the site won't link to it). Note which states would not ratify this amendment? Yep, the racist, bigoted South that usually vote Republican. What a surprise. Like it or not, the voter ID laws were used as a ploy to disenfranchise Democrat voters. As I said, I have no problem with voter ID laws as long as a citizen can obtain an ID for free. If the government is charging money for an ID that is required to vote, it is the equivalent of a poll tax. It functions the same way.
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Post by beags on Mar 16, 2013 13:13:10 GMT -5
Asking for proof of citizenship by requiring a drivers license, state issued ID, or birth certificate is NOT a tax. Therefore the above is not an argument in your case . . you are grasping at straws now.
uh huh, and this democratic state requires a drivers license or state issued ID to vote here. It has not stopped anyone from voting . . something you can't seem to wrap your head around. OR understand. It does, however, make sure that everyone who is voting is a citizen of the U.S.
I can't help it if your state doesn't care who shows up to vote. I now understand why you can't figure out the fact that you have to be a citizen to vote.
There are several reasons why people need a birth certificate other than to just vote. By your logic that would mean that they are imposing some tax to prevent the poor from doing anything . . when in fact it's just a fee to cover the cost of processing that replacement birth certificate so said person can now drive, get a state ID, or travel out of the country. Which getting a license is another thing I don't see the poor people having a problem with. They can renew their drivers license which costs over $35 so they can drive . . but you are saying it is too much for them to get it to vote. give me a break. . . again grasping at straws.
Now you are assuming that I have never lived in poverty. In fact, I have. and I have gotten myself out of it. . not once but twice. . .and it did it with some hard work and finding jobs. Even when we lived in poverty we did not have a problem coming up with $35 to renew a license or register our car. But I guess that also is a tax imposed by all the bad republicans to keep people from voting . . . damn state doesn't need any money to process that paperwork, or anything else. They should be ashamed of themselves for making me pay those fees when I was on state aid, how dare they?
I see you have nothing left so you result to attempting to insult. As stated above, I have been in poverty, and during that time I have not had a problem coming up with the extra money for other things. I guess I should have added on license, registration, smokes, alcohol, and whatever else you may need a birth certificate for to prove age, citizenship or whatever else . . which also requires a fee to get such proof. Now that we have the proof, we can also purchase the items that food stamps does not cover . . .which they don't seem to have a problem getting. Again, you are grasping at straws. Oh, and LOL yes, we do have a relative who was in the italian mafia and he was from Chicago. It was interesting when he came to visit. I am also a good friend with a few mexicans. They have or are getting citizenship and they don't like the ones who think the U.S. should support them. So there are many good mexicans just as there are many good poor people. The ones who don't whine because they need a birth certificate for some items.
Your entire argument is based on a misconception provided by the democratic party. When asked to provide proof, you bring up taxes. OR you result an attempt at an insult. None of which is proof, but it does follow the democratic and republican line "when backed against the wall, and you can't provide proof, insult to try to distract." Now when you can provide PROOF of your argument, let me know. Otherwise just give up because I prefer to deal with a person who can think for themselves.
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Post by beags on Mar 16, 2013 13:22:20 GMT -5
Oh, and the next election, I am taking several busses of people to your state who are republicans. They can vote here and then they can go to your state . because they do not require proof to vote. That means they can all double vote and there's not a damn thing you can do about it . . . because your state doesn't require anything.
Thank you for your information. If you were a republican I would bring several busses full of democrats to your state to vote. BUT you already stated you were a democrat.
See why voting laws are good now? BUT your state doesn't have any. . . and they are fighting to keep it that way because it is against the poor . . . which means I can bring several busses full of republicans to vote in your state that doesn't require proof of citizenship or anything else to vote . . .. thank you again for that info.
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Post by jenn823 on Mar 16, 2013 15:11:23 GMT -5
I'm in Ohio... Hmm,- maybe I'm the twice voter? LOL
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Post by beags on Mar 16, 2013 18:04:25 GMT -5
I'm in Ohio... Hmm,- maybe I'm the twice voter? LOL LOL I see you may be Irish as well. According to the above poster that means you are drunk too,
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Post by beags on Mar 16, 2013 18:06:02 GMT -5
But that's ok. I know many more Irish priests than I do Irish drunks . . . unless you count this weekend . . . St Patty's Day weekend, oh ya, there will be celebrating. I bet even the Irish priests will be drunk this weekend.
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Post by beags on Mar 16, 2013 18:12:11 GMT -5
So here's a Jamison and/or Guiness to you. "And We'll dance dance dance to the stereotypes."
Oh, and I'm so ashamed . . .almost as much as the person singing the above song. lol We just weren't raised right.
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Post by jenn823 on Mar 16, 2013 19:37:41 GMT -5
I'm in Ohio... Hmm,- maybe I'm the twice voter? LOL LOL I see you may be Irish as well. According to the above poster that means you are drunk too, No, Italian actually. Not drunk yet, maybe within a couple hours. ;D
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Post by beags on Mar 16, 2013 20:24:54 GMT -5
Awesome! So my mafia family can join yours, and then we will go with our Irish friends to the bars/pubs. Hell we can all be drunken, gun toting, no respect for the law, fun lovin people having a great time.
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Post by mox on Mar 17, 2013 14:24:01 GMT -5
EVERYONE is IRISH on St. Paddy's day, donchakno?!?
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